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[edit] Cleanup tag

Recent revisions of this article have been shoddy, haphazard and irresponsible. They have deleted discography listings to entries in Lauper's catalogue that have their own Wikipedia entries - notable Wanna Have Fun and The Best Remixes. You can't go into an article and delete things without justification, especially if they are links to other wiki-articles that do not link from any other pages. This article needs some MAJOR revisions, and I have personally spent countless days making major contributions to this article only to see them wiped out by other users who simply don't know what they're doing.

I have re-added these two entries but there are still major things that need to be fixed in this article that have been messed up by sloppy editing. Among them:

  • Photo album covers do not belong in an article about an artist. In fact, a discography generally has it's own entry on wikipedia, though it is somewhat acceptable to have one in an artist's entry. But photo album covers belong *ONLY* on the article entries for those albums.
  • Combining "seasonal" and "compilation" makes no sense. Additionally the album "At Last" shouldn't be qualified as "inspirational", nor should the album "The Body Acoustic" be considered a compilation. They are technically two complete albums of brand new material, despite one being a covers album and the other being reinterpretations of old material.
  • All album titles and single titles should be italicized.

Pacian 19:36, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't She's So Unusual released in 1983? It's posted on here as 1984, but on the copyright its listed as 1983.

{Could you replace the term 'gays' with something else? 'gay people', 'lesbians and gay men', etc.? In some parts of the US, 'gays' is offensive. (As are other usages of referring to people with an adjective-as-noun, like 'blacks' or 'crippleds' -- it implies that the characteristic isn't a part of the person, but *is* the person.)

Also, pedantically, the title of the song "The Goonies 'R' Good Enough" has an apostrophe both before and after the 'R'; I have the original vinyl single to verify this. This was correct in an earlier version of the page, but was since changed.}

--Heath [unregistered]

I am Easter Bradford. I was told by an administrator who had blocked my account that I need to specify if material was written by myself, because it was mistakenly thought that items had I added were copyright infringements. Thus the mention of that lengthy bio that parts of it were written by myself, Easter Bradford (and that some parts were there already.)

Some of our administrators are a bit overzealous. You are of course welcome to post here, and this note is quite sufficient to show your intent to license the work even though it appears elsewhere under copyright. We just don't like credits on the articles themselves. I'll also put a note on your user page. --LDC

Removed: "It could be said she was The Spice Girls before The Spice Girls." -- not really, since she could actually sing. I've seen this same problem of referencing to current, ephemeral culture on fantasy books that are compared to Harry Potter. -- Tarquin

Corrected: Changed "The Goonies 'R' Too Good" to "The Goonies 'R' Good Enough". Added: She won an Emmy in 1995 for Mad About You. --Heath (not registered).

Nothing to do The Spice Girls she's a real songwriter. What about "Time after time" by Miles Davis ?

Ericd 20:53 Sep 20, 2002 (UTC)

Isn't the "lovely" (as this article describes it) 'She Bop' a song about masturbation? soulpatch

What's with the "Parts by Easter Bradford...all rights reserved."? If that's really true, then we can't use his text here. Fair use is OK for images since they don't generally get edited, but the text of Wikipedia has to be editable and has to be licensed under the GFDL. If he really wants to retain his copyright, then we have to remove his text and create our own. If he wants to license the work to us under the GFDL, then there should be a note to that effect here in the talk page, and we should remove the credit from the article. We're not in the business of reproducing copyrighted work here. --LDC

Technically, by default under U.S. copyright law, ALL authored are by default automatically copyrighted by the author with all rights reserved, so there is no difficulty with Mr. Bradford retaining his copyright - in fact, by default, all of us retain our copyrights, and can be used by us, legally. It would be better if he also explicitly declared that it is being licensed under the GFDL. Currently in Wikipedia, the license grant is implicitly assumed when submitting work, which makes things easier for authors but since there's no mechanism in place for providing traceability to who gave the license grant, this may be legally iffy.

Please realize that there is an important difference between copyright and 'license. In order for something to be put under the GFDL, it must be copyrighted (or 'copylefted' as they say) by its legal owner. Doing this explicitly rather than implicitly is okay, and actually is better for Wikipedia in situations like this where administrators wish for traceability and assurance of no copyright infringements, as it helps absolve Wikipedia of those questions - Mr. Bradford is accepting the responsibility.

Anyway, this is a larger issue than just getting credit, and deserves further considerations, especially as it conflicts with the (worth rethinking, imho) tradition of suppressing author attribution for articles. -- BryceHarrington

???!!!Do we really want people slapping their names on an article everytime they update it???!!! -- Zoe

This issue has already been resolved; see the top of this page. And believe me, I understand the details of copyright law in intimate detail. --LDC

You know, I only wrote this entry because I super love Cyndi Lauper and wanted a nice detailed entry. Sorry for the controversy! -EB-

I'm curious as to how she is "arguably the biggest star of the early MTv era." What are the confines of the "early" MTv era? And I can think of several other performers (Prince, Michael Jackson, Madonna, to name a few) that were just as--or more--popular as Cyndi. If we're striving for verifiability and consistency, we should think before adding such broad (and unverifiable) statements to an artice.

Also, whoever wrote most of this article should know that commas are not always needed before quotation marks. Please consult your style manual (or 6th grade English grammar textbook).

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.151.193.94 (talk) 15:18, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

I have cleaned up many, many instances of the commas preceding quotations mentioned by the above commenter. In addition I have made a few corrections to spelling, some very minor grammar changes, fixed some capitalization, and added a couple of interwiki links. These edits were made a section at a time due to the length of the entire article.
I think there is excessive "quoting" of things that may may not require quote marks. I have fixed a few obvious instances of this.
There is inconsistent usage of "quoting" and italicization of album and song names and other things. I am not feeling bold enough to correct this at the moment. Perhaps someone else will undertake to do this. Guest458 16:48, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Dashes

Hi, Everyking.

rv -- those are hyphens, and i thought it was decided they could be freely changed to dashes [1]

I know what they are. I put them there and I don't appreciate them being "corrected" when there's no consensus on the correctness of the "correction".

Please read the referenced discussion. There's no "decision" there.

I tend to favour the following policy when confronted by ndashes in articles I have no other editorial investment in:

Evolving language and the decreased reliance on print world conventions have led to the hyphen becoming an acceptable replacement for other dashes. Where hyphens have been used in place of other dashes, you are discouraged from changing these, in the same way that changing spelling forms is discouraged. (See #Usage and spelling). [2]

If you'd added some new material (which is not to diminish your DOB fixlet) then I could understand that you might wish to see your dash preferences preserved (if you at least exhibited some familiarity with the debate, and pursued your policy consistently), but I fail to see why you waded randomly into this article to override the de facto Wikipedia standard.

You wrote on my talk page:

I've never seen anyone defend hyphens being used incorrectly [sic] in place of dashes.

Again, please at least cast your eye over the linked discussion. Here are a few thought-nibbles:

I've commented this out for now and just noted that the hyphen is commonly used in place of other dashes. I disagree that it should be "corrected", and I believe the safest option is to go with the same policy we have for spelling to prevent edit wars over this. I personally regard pages containing text such as "“”" to be highly unreadable. Angela. 02:33, Mar 9, 2004 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Manual of Style (biographies) uses regular ascii dashes in dates (1999 - 2005). I don't see what the problem with them is personally. It makes editing easier and looks fine when rendered to my eyes. The manual of style isn't compulsory, but it's the only guideline that should be applied to wikipedia IMO. If it's under debate then hash it out on the talk page and modify the guidlines if necessary when a consensus has been reached. fabiform | talk 06:57, 12 Feb 2004 (UTC)
I must insist that we NOT use HTML entities in raw wiki markup. This is a barrier to editing to all the non-technically-minded people who do not know what — means when they see it in raw wiki text. Irrespective of what is correct typograpy, we must work with the tools at our disposal, and we must remember that this is a wiki and clarity in raw source is as important as clarity and accuracy in rendered form. -- Tarquin 16:42, 17 Mar 2004 (UTC)

&c.

chocolateboy 22:18, 20 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Fine, keep the hyphens if you want. I think it's awfully counterproductive of you to revert a minor change that only made the article look a little prettier and more formal, though. Everyking 22:23, 20 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Replace "formal" with "editable" and I think I could respectfully say the same to you. Either way: thanks for discussing it and thanks for improving the article.

chocolateboy 22:40, 20 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Hmm. Well, I don't know about all that, but I do know that I am seeing hyphens/dashes that are grammatically incorrect in both American and UK English, so I am changing them to commas. Pacian 10:09, 28 Dec 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Gay Icon Project

In my effort to merge the now-deleted list from the article Gay icon to the Gay icons category, I have added this page to the category. I engaged in this effort as a "human script", adding everyone from the list to the category, bypassing the fact-checking stage. That is what I am relying on you to do. Please check the article Gay icon and make a judgment as to whether this person or group fits the category. By distributing this task from the regular editors of one article to the regular editors of several articles, I believe that the task of fact-checking this information can be expedited. Thank you very much. Philwelch 21:11, 24 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Self-titled EP?

I removed the "Cyndi Lauper" EP listed in the EPs section of the discography because I couldn't find any evidence of it having existed. If anyone can prove/disprove this, I'd appreciate it. —Slicing (talk) 17:21, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

--164.143.240.33 16:34, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sales

One problem I have with the discussion of record sales on Wikipedia in general is the lack of clarity and standardization rampant across the field. The very concept of record sales and the way in which they are measured is an extremely inexact science even when officially stated, but it often becomes ridiculous when people are simply quoting figures they heard here and there. Therefore I think it is appropriate that if record sales are to be mentioned in a Wikipedia article, they should only be mentioned with the source(s) of information clearly specified, the date of publishing and the market (ie US, Europe, Worldwide etc). This has not been done here. We are told whether the albums went Gold or Platinum (I assume this refers to the US and should be stated) and then a figure is quoted. As the figures quoted are obviously different from the gold/platinum rating I assume this refers to worldwide (should also be stated).

Now I know nothing about Cyndi Lauper's sales but I do know a little about how the US market compares with the worldwide market and some of the figures look very questionable, notably True Colors (which apparently sold only 2 million records in the US, and 12 million worldwide), Sisters of Avalon and At Last, which both (if standardization is to be believed), didn't manage to sell 0.5 million copies in the US but sold 4 million worldwide. These figure comparisons are not unheard of but sound very unlikely. For acts that are big both in the US and Woldwide, the US sales usually represent extremely high percentages of the total, (for instance Eminem's Marshall Mathers LP sold 8 million copies in the US, and 12 million worldwide). The reasons for this are many, with the chief two being that the US may not represent a huge percentage of the world, population wise but it represents a huge share of the record-buying public and the US also has a more efficient counting method for record sales. However, as I said before, some artists don't have the US as such a large buyer but these are usually artists such as Robbie Williams who are famous outside the US and relatively unknown within it. Lauper is clearly not one of those artists. The long and short of it is that an artist such as Lauper is extremely likely to have the US taking up about 50-75% of all her published record sales.

It is possible that I am wrong, Lauper is a special case, and the figures are exactly as quoted (and a specified source would go a long way to indicate this) but it is worth considering that the US figures as they are are understated or the worldwide figures are overstated with my personal guess being the former; I would have expected the album that contained both Time after Time and Girls Just Wanna Have Fun to have sold more than a mere 6 million records in the US; for comparison Michael Jacksons Thriller album released two years before has sold 27 million in the US alone.--Zoso Jade 16:42, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

DAVID "DEXTER" DIAZ SE LA COME DOBLADA

I'm with "DEXTER" on this. For clarity and accuracy, not only sales, but chart standings of artists' releases should always include a verifiable reference, and Wikipedia should standardize such references as much as possible. In the U.S., Billboard magazine (http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/index.jsp) is the most widely accepted standard for sales data and chart standings, and I would like to see Wikipedia accept Billboard as its default standard for the U.S. It seems likely that Billboard also compiles reliable international sales data, and if so it could serve as Wikipedia's standard for this information as well.

There seem to a few publications competing to be the U.K. equivalent of Billboard, but according to Wikipedia, "The Official UK Charts Company (OCC), previously called the Chart Information Network (CIN) compiles various 'official' UK record charts..." (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Official_UK_Charts_Company)

Rico402 (talk) 15:46, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] David Thornton

Her current husband, David Thornton, is worthy of his own Wiki entry. He is a stage actor who's appeared on CSI a few times in a recurring role.

He Does...

Rico402 (talk) 15:46, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

He has a page David Thornton (actor). Ariadne55 (talk) 18:23, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Image

Can we maybe get an image that doesn't have a Windows mouse cursor superimposed on it?

Agreed (to the above), and also: since the article says "a singer whose melodic voice and wild costumes have come to epitomize the 1980s" (emph. added), why not add an image of her from back then? --Shlomi Tal ☜ 19:16, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

I added one that doesn't seem "80s-esque", but it's a very good one in my opinion. Feel free to change it anyways.

[edit] Discography

Though I like the new structure of the discography, the listings therein are miscategorized. "Shine" and "The Body Acoustic" are not compilations, they are full length albums of brand new material. I also question placing remix/compilations with Christmas music as the two have nothing to do with each other. Pacian 16:46, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

"The Body Acoustic" is a new album of new material?

It was new recordings dipwod, not new songs. a compilation is a collection of original workings, not remakes.

I thought it was just a collection of re-recorded versions of her past hits. I've also removed the EP/Appears on the artist and other albums...is it neccessary to have it? Maybe on a fan dedicated website.

It has a few new tracks

Above The Clouds (ft. Jeff Beck) I'll Be Your River (ft. Vivian Green) Water's Edge (ft. Sarah McLachlan)

Didn't she sing the female locals on the last hooters album?

[edit] JULY 15, 2007: Discography Official STUDIO album

  • EXCLUDING REMIXES, EPs, HOLIDAY and COMPILATION albums

Sorry, Holiday WILL be included.

  1. She's So Unusual (1983) 1ST STUDIO ALBUM
  2. True Colors (1986) 2ND STUDIO ALBUM
  3. A Night to Remember (1989) 3RD STUDIO ALBUM
  4. Hat Full of Stars (1993) 4TH STUDIO ALBUM
  5. Sisters of Avalon (1996) 5TH STUDIO ALBUM
  6. Merry Christmas ... Have a Nice Life) 1998 6TH STUDIO ALBUM
  7. Shine (2003) 7TH STUDIO ALBUM
  8. At Last (2003) 8TH STUDIO ALBUM
  9. The Body Acoustic (2005) 9TH STUDIO ALBUM

The Body Acoustic is far from a "Compilation Album." It is remakes of old hits. A Compilation is a collection of the original recordings, not new recordings. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.176.16.185 (talk) 15:44, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

  1. Saviore Fare (2008 projected) "?"

[edit] longest note

whats her longest note


[edit] That's So Raven

Cyndi Lauper did a guest apperance on the Disney Channel show That's So Raven as Mrs Petuto in the episode Art Breaker. Jemipook 03:10, 30 June 2006 (UTC) Jemi Pook

[edit] Sentences taken from

Some sentences are almost verbatim from this site. Please rewrite. David.Monniaux 15:21, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Merry Christmas and Have a Nice Life

There are two things that were erroneously not included in the main article:

1. The Release of Merry Christmas and Have a Nice Life in 1998 2. Cyndi Lauper leaving Sony in 1998 after the release of her Christmas Album.

Also, her son's first name is Declyn and not Declan.

-Sonny


[edit] Cyndi and Wrestlers

Did Cyndi Lauper and Hulk Hogan ever date? I thought I heard that back in the '80s.Jlujan69 06:38, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

I thought she was in the company of a certain Capt'n Lou Albano early in her career after meeting him on the "Girls Just Want to have Fun" video shoot. And that it was through him she became associated with other certain wrestlers. But I do believe he "acted" as her bodyguard at some point as I can remember seeing him "escorting" her on MTV after her first album was released. It is also possible that both he and Hulk Hogan escorted her together at certain events. Riptides99 14:23, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ever a hotel maid in Puerto Rico?

We know that Cyndi's mother was a maid at a hotel in Puerto Rico once during the early 1980's. Was she, also? I've heard she was... for about four to six months. True?66.50.56.161 15:08, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Removed Photo

thumb|250px|right|The Body Acoustic promotional shot. I don't think this is Cyndi Lauper, yet it was posted in her article.

[edit] Links

why are links to site that have tons of info being removed. Other artist have links to fansites that contain alot of info..????? The external link guidelines address this:

"provide relevant and non-trivial information that isn't present in the page" I know of 1 site that has articles and a real complete discography that seems to have been removed. Why remove links to relevant sites??? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Supercyn (talk • contribs)

Hi Supercyn, I'm not a regular editor of the article, but saw your post. Takeva look at WP:EL#Links normally to be avoided, in particular #13. BTW, it is wiki-ettiquette to sign your posts on talk pages. Aleta 08:31, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

We like to keep it official sites only. Who is "we"?

Yes, who is "we"? Who the hell do any of you think you are to put regulations, on a "Community Project"? Jesus Christ, get a life! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.176.16.185 (talk) 15:41, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Discography

Why aren't the following included?

Shine EP Shine album (full length CD) Merry Christmas...Have A Nice Life 12 Deadly Cyns...and then some —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 4.131.36.144 (talk) 02:05, 12 January 2007 (UTC).

The way the main studio albums discography is formatted here is misleading and subjective; the casual visitor would think Cyndi Lauper's mainstream recording career effectively ended in 1996. "At Last" was a studio album of all new material - just because they are all cover songs does not make it non-notable in Lauper's catalog. "Shine" is a full length album of all new material - just because it was exclusively released in Japan does not make it non-notable. "Merry Christmas...Have a Nice Life" was a studio album of all new material; just because it is a Holiday themed album does not make it non-notable. "The Body Acoustic" is NOT a compilation album; it is a studio album of all new recordings, which just happen to be reinterpretations of previous recordings. Notice a pattern here? I am revising this to reflect a more accurate depiction of Cyndi Lauper's full length studio releases. Midnightguinea 07:28, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Bubblegum??

Should 'bubblegum' be added to the list of musical genres? 'Girls Just Wanna Have Fun' sounds like it to me.80.41.104.38 20:23, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Maybe you should pull the bubblegum out of your ears! Girls Just Wanna Have Fun was the song that invented pop music! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.176.16.185 (talk) 15:37, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Italian American?

She in the category, but the article says nothing about her background, and neither of her parents seems to have an Italian surname. Sylvain1972 20:03, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

I fixed it.

[edit] Changing official fansite link

Someone is changing the link to the official fansite from cyndilauperonline.com to cyndilaupersite.com - cyndilauperonline.com is the only official fansite —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 76.107.30.76 (talk) 13:52, 29 March 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Very Opinionated

When you were mine, an awesome cover of a Prince song? Much of this article NEEDS to be edited. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 206.45.105.10 (talk) 01:56, 15 April 2007 (UTC).

I agree. It's not very neutral. The article reads more like a promo article. Sisters of Avalon brought her "back into the limelight"? Are they kidding? That album BOMBED.

It didn't bomb. It may not have charted high on the top 200 but it had 3 singles in the top 20 dance charts, and it went gold in the USA. That's not a bomb. 70.20.173.96 15:31, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Source for four-octave range claim?

Four octaves is a fairly unbelievable claim. Middle C to the C above it is only one octave, even though it comprises two C notes; another C above that would be only two octaves, even though there are three notes in the range which are an octave apart. Unless she can sing down into the bass range, I suspect a three-octave range is more likely. What's the source of the four-octave claim?

I agree, but if you listen to She Bop she does make those QUITE bright sounds "oh oh She bop" At the end of every verse or something... Perhaps this is where it originates.

Wait, there is a whistle sound at the song When You Were Mine....

The source for this "claim" is on the Lifetime Intimate Portrait of Cyndi Lauper. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.176.16.185 (talk) 15:35, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Matthew Shepard Murder not a hate crime

Under current United States federal law [1] and Wyoming state law,[2] crimes committed on the basis of sexual orientation are not prosecutable as hate crimes.

  1. ^ Investigative Programs: Civil Rights: Hate Crimes. Federal Bureau of Investigation. Retrieved on 2006-04-06.
  2. ^ Map of State Statutes. Anti-Defamation League. Retrieved on 2006-04-06.

This is correct, but since it was committed due to a hate of gay people it certainly qualifies. 83.109.73.110 19:28, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cyndi a character on Heroes Rumor Removed

Until someone can add a verifiable reference/citation as to this, it is simply a rumor and does not belong in the article:

"It is rumored that Cyndi will be the newest character on the hit NBC series "Heroes." According to sources, her character will create shapes out of soundwaves, much like the Marvel disco hero, the Dazzler."

70.20.173.96 15:27, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] speculation does not belong in an article

Removed the following:

"There was speculation of a Madonna collaboration, but this has never been confirmed. It has also been speculated that the Scissor Sisters have written a song for the album.

The single is expected to be released before the fall and is said to contain many remixes which will be exculsive to itunes. It is not yet known if it will be a download only single." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.65.58.138 (talk) 04:52, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Matthew Shepard Bill

--Kentucky1333 (talk) 08:58, 3 January 2008 (UTC) This article states the Matthew Shepard Bill "was passed into law by Congress; this is NOT true." The bill did NOT pass both houses as the President promised to veto it. I marked this section.

[edit] Origin: England?

She may have a Brit-like accent at times in her music, but she's from Brooklyn. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.186.185.41 (talk) 01:41, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Re-write.

She played at the King's Park Botanic Gardens, Perth, Australia, supported by Katie Noonan and Kate Miller-Heidke on February 22nd, 2008. Lauper was the headline and final act at the 2008 Sydney Gay and Lesbian Mardi Gras Party, in Sydney, Australia on 2 March 2008 at 8am. She sang "Same Old Fucking Story" then "Girls Just Want To Have Fun" and continued celebrating through the night with members of the public in various night clubs along Oxford Street.

Re-worded the above paragraph, the feb 22nd was listed AFTER the march 2nd. Also, feel free to call me on original research for the Oxford street partying, or rather than ripping it out see if you can find a citation if it bothers you that much, but either way I was most surprised to bump into her at 2am in Slide, a lesbian bar on Oxford Street. Needless to say I mauled her with hugs and kisses. Which .. retrospectively may have been odd given I was the .. only male in .. a lesbian bar. But hey, them's the breaks. She hung around a good two hours or so, mixed with us plebs, even got up on the raised underlit dance floor and grooved the night away. Just figured it's worth throwing in even though it may be OR or trivia, simply because I think ANYONE doing a gig at 8 am and still partying at friggen 2+ in the morning is encyclopedia noteworthiness!  :P Especially at her age! 122.107.65.2 (talk) 14:52, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Watch out! Don't let Cyndi hear you say, or see you write, "Especially at her age!" ("What am I, a car?" No citation, natch.) Professional musicians and their crews - myself included (sound engineer) - at least among the "pop" genres, tend to be "night people". Maybe Cyndi had a nap, maybe not. Either way her internal clock was still ticking away and "bedtime" was well past 2 AM, even if she was up by 5 AM the previous morning, probably getting little if any sleep. If I have gigs or other stuff going on I can go 48 hours without sleep no sweat, and Cyndi's only two years my senior. Of course I don't maintain the same energy level during a show as a performer like Cyndi. And after that 48 hours I tend to get a little - maybe a lot - giddy or "punchy". I put in over 72 hours straight not long ago; I was damn near psychotic.

Rico402 (talk) 18:10, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

In reverting some deletions I'm not sure I caught them all. Will check later. Faradayplank (talk) 10:32, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Re-checked the page and reverted to correct for changes that seemed to be vandalism or test editing Faradayplank (talk) 06:49, 22 March 2008 (UTC)


Who ever the fuckhead is that keeps changing the album configuration needs to stop it! At Last, and Merry Christmas Have A Nice Life ARE studio albums, it doesn't matter if they're standards, or Holiday.

And whoever the left the above comment ought to clean up his/her act and not sling anonymous f-bombs about.

Rico402 (talk) 01:49, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Editing "Biography: Early life and pre-fame"

What does "Arguably one of the bigger female stars of the early MTV era..." even mean? Well, quite literally, it means that one could argue, although with no guaranty of success, that Cyndi Lauper was "bigger" - whatever that means - than 50% of all the other "female stars" during an undefined period of time called the "early MTV era". I suppose Adam Ant was "[a]arguably one of the bigger [male] stars of the early MTV era..." (And at 5'8" tall, I was one of the taller male students in my high school graduating class. But I was one of the shorter male students in my university graduating class. Woe is friggin' me! :)

I would argue that Lauper appeared on MTV in its "early era" - let's call that the 1980's - more than the vast majority of female artists, making her one of the biggest female stars on MTV in the 1980's.

Doesn't being "the first female to have four consecutive Billboard Hot 100 Top 5 hits from one album" during the 1980's qualify one as being unarguably "one of the biggest female stars of the early MTV era..."

I had edited it that way - sans italics - but someone changed it back - obviously someone who prefers waffling to making clear statements. No offense intended.

I'm gonna change it to "one of the biggest female pop music and music video stars of 1980's..." I don't think having won an Emmy for her appearance on Mad about You qualifies her as having been a big star in other media. (I still have a problem with "biggest ... stars"; although the phrase is virtually ubiquitous, how does one properly define big, bigger or biggest" in the context of being a "star"?)

"Early MTV era" is doubly redundant in this context since we've already mentioned MTV in the introduction and I've added "the 1980's".

Rico402 (talk) 02:32, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Duet with Sinatra

"In 1992, Cyndi recorded a duet with Frank Sinatra through the use of some clever audio mixing, Sinatra having died in 1998. "Santa Claus is Coming to Town" was released on the Very Special Christmas II album. Sinatra's vocals were taken from his original recording and mixed with Cyndi's in the studio."

The above statement confuses me. If Cyndi recorded a duet with Sinatra and released it in 1992, why does it make mention of Sinatra's death 6 years after the release of the song, and that it required "the use of some clever audio mixing" in order to achieve it? Is there any documented proof that it required anything but ordinary audio mixing techniques? There is nothing really clever about all that, it is quite ordinary and common actually. In fact, in 1993, Sinatra's Duets album, and the follow up Duets II, was recorded pretty much the same way: Contemporary artists recording their vocals over previously recoded Sinatra classics.
I think that section needs to be reworded or trimmed down to state only the facts, such as: A duet with Cyndi Lauper and Frank Sinatra, entitled "Santa Claus is Coming to Town" was released in 1992 on the "A Very Special Christmas II" album benefiting the Special Olympics. The recording featured Cyndi's vocals recorded and mixed with material previously recorded by Frank Sinatra.
Or something similar.

Glensutton (talk) 05:20, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Confusing indeed! Must have been a rough night. Reference to Sinatra's death removed.
The article has said "magic of studio editing." Nothing "magical" about it, which is why I changed it to "clever". The ordinary folk are sometimes overly impressed that you can lift a vocal from a previous session and add it to a new mix, which is why I left it in.
The paragraph has been changed to simply read, "Cyndi recorded "Santa Claus is Coming to Town", a duet with Frank Sinatra, which was released on the album Very Special Christmas II. Sinatra's vocals were taken from his original recording and mixed with Cyndi's in the studio."
I have no knowledge of the "benefiting the Special Olympics", but if someone can provide reference for it, it should be included.
Rico402 (talk) 12:39, 24 April 2008 (UTC)