Talk:Cyberdiscursivity

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Perhaps this should be merged with computer-mediated communication. Current version is way verbose and overly-academic. One wonders if it could be rewritten in just 1 paragraph... Eclipsed 18:04, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

Contents 1 Merge how? 2 Thanks 3 Yes, it's different. 4 Thought 5 so sum it up... = 6 Question 7 Okay 8 Better 9 Sign!!!! ¡ ¿ [[ %7e%7e%7e%7e ]] 10 Hoax Article?

[edit] Merge how?

How would this merge? What needs to be done to give it 'stand alone' potential? It is overdone. How could it be reduced?

Perhaps by writing an 'executive summary' of the material you started with. Use simpler words. Use fewer words. I'm still confused what the actual theory is. Is it more than the CMC theory that "people online act differently then when they are offline" ? Eclipsed

[edit] Thanks

Thanks for your input. I have reduced it a good deal. Can you help me further? What else can be condensed or cut? Eadad

yea... what is 'CMC challenge familiar rhetorical principles' ? Eclipsed

[edit] Yes, it's different.

CD argues that people bring literate training to hypertext environments and that the HTE violates their expectations. It's a description of the effect of the environment on the user, not the users behavior. The behavior changes after the cyberdiscursive moment.

I really appreciate your input.

So, is this like the concept of culture shock / future shock, but for CMC? What are the 'peculiar textual characteristics' that CD displays, specifically? Eclipsed

Future shock is it exactly.

I'm talking about the collaborative nature of user agency. A HT experience is partly determined by the user, much more than a reader determines a book. That's one instance.

[edit] Thought

I'm using terms like 'rhetorical' and so forth because that is my profession. Wiki needs it more general, and I am grateful fro your direction. I can scrap professional terms if that will help.

[edit] so sum it up... =

Yes, scrap the professional terms, unless specifically needed to describe the theory.

Q: Is it more then the CMC theory that "people online act differently then when they are offline" A: It is different because it is of a temporary nature, occuring only upon 'first contact' with a new CMC environement.

Not quite. It has the potential every time a user logs on. CMC is plastic; books are metal. That is, a book always acts the same way; CMC is always an unknown. Again, it's not how they act, it's how they feel. It's their experience and how if violates the customs of literacy.

Q: What is/are 'CMC challenge familiar rhetorical principles' A: ? The idea of reading an author is changed because the user skips around. The user is part author, making far more choices than a book would allow. It's dynamic, emergent, and idiosyncratic. It's virtual and depends on machines and so forth. Thus, it's not like a book that you hold, there is a mediator (computer) that may not act the same all the time. In fact, each browser or other factor renders multiple versions of the 'same' base document (ie. HTML code). See what I mean? We learn to read books, and HT changes the rules. It's similar to learning a second language. I mean learning, not acquiring. Future generations may not encounter cyberdiscursivity like older people do.

Q: What are the 'peculiar textual characteristics' that CD displays, specifically? A: ? S/A. You can have a browser with a video window with a person in it showing you a book. That's not the same as reading a book. Or you have text in a page that is also a part of the program that operates the page you are on. Animations, pop-ups, all kinds of things are differnt in CMC as compared to literacy. That's what the book is about, detailing it.

Basically, the major change is that Cyberdiscursivity describes the effect of CMC on users' psyhes. It's like this. Some times authors use pen names to write books. In CMC, everyone must have a pen name to read one. And in HT, you make so many choices that you contribute to the text you read. Everyone co-authors as he/she reads. Clicking to a new site is not equivalent to turning a page in a book--it's not the same choice, and it has different results, usually.

Eclipsed 19:45, 24 July 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Question

I have trimmed it some more. I welcome your thoughts. It hardly seems useful if not defined, but if there is something else to do, I'm all ears.

When will it be clean? Will someone take the box off the article?

Thanks again very much.

[edit] Okay

Okay, Eclipsed, thanks a lot for all your help.

This looks much leaner now, and the changes I just made in the content are exactly right and should probably stay. It really doesn't need any more content for this application, but it should use the language used. I am talking about the difference between print and CMC, and that needs to be stated. Do you think it should be stated more clearly and sooner?

I moved a thing or two, and I will be happy to move them elsewhere if you think they will go better elswhere.

In the book, I used certain theories to contextualize the concept, but they are not theories known to everyone, and that is why the first attempt was so academic. It needed to be written out.

I can't tell you how appreciative I am. You have committed much to this article, and you have made all your suggestions with a touch of grace.

How close are we?

Close? Wiki's are never finished :) They just go on and on and on and on..... Eclipsed 11:40, 26 July 2005 (UTC)

I know they are never finished. I do hope that people stop putting boxes on them eventually.

I suppose it seems like a good progression.

Do you have any ideas about what to simplify or clarify? Any specifics?

[edit] Better

Take a look now. I think it's much clearer and should reach more general readers. Eadad

This article may be too technical for a general audience. Please help improve this article by providing more context and better explanations of technical details to make it more accessible, without removing technical details.

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I found this on:

wiktionary : talk : cyberdiscursivity.

I do wish that the definition would gel down to something that I could comprehend.

Thank You.

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[edit] Hoax Article?

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