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[edit] Recent edits to Cyber's page...
Having recently re-read all of Cyber's storylines, I made both minor and significant edits, based only on information that can be easily referenced to any of Cyber's appearances in various Marvel titles. I also updated his biography to include more in-depth detail of his current story, and deleted a couple of points about his history with Logan, as I feel that possibly they have yet to be revealed by "Wolverine: Origins" writer, Daniel Way.
My appreciation goes out to the author(s) of this page. It is fine work and I enjoyed cooperating with everyone on this topic. Thanks.74.244.63.126 02:15, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
The page looks good. Given the recent storyline, I expect editing to this article to pick up, particularly when it comes to vandalism. I've gone and made a few minor edits, nothing too major really. I de-capitalized all references to adamantium. Apparently, the consensus is that since its a fictional material, there's no need to capitalize it outside of possibly beginning a sentence with it. That's been probably close to two years now since that was decided.
While Wolverine did have some deep psychological fear of him, stating that he is Wolverine's most feared enemy is a bit too close to POV. I also removed the part about Cyber intending for the Tinkerer to bond adamantium to Milo's skin. That probably is what the writers have planned. However, we can't say for total certainty until whatever they ultimately plan to do happens, so that makes it speculation at this point.
I also felt it necessary to tinker with the powers and abilities section and list the powers that Cyber possessed in his original body and what we know he's capable of while in Milo's body. I also changed the tense from past to present in that section. Cyber's original body is dead but it's Wikipedia policy to refer to fictional characters that are deceased in the present tense. Odin's Beard 23:39, 21 March 2007 (UTC)
"...Battling Cyber, who is and was... ...my worst nightmare come to life."
POV, yeah, but true. The page is pretty tight now. Thanks, Odin. I noticed the statement about Cyber's intention to obtain his own adamantium skeleton was removed, in favor of him selling Wolverine's skeleton. "WOLVERINE #79" from March, 1994 reads with Cyber stating: "Yeah! I've got adamantium skin, but ol' you-know-who has got an adamantium skeleton. I could have both! Yeah! I could! Since I know how it can be done!" Later on, during their fight, he claims: "No, little man, I'm going to feed you alive to the death watch beetles-- --Then, I'm going to sell your famous skeleton to some old buddies of mine!" I think the latter statement was more of a reference to the West Port murders, used as a threat. Issues 80 and 81 also hint about an Adamantium Bonding Process. I believe, from Issue 79, that Cyber's intent was to aquire his own adamantium skeleton to augment his adamantium skin. Another point, is when Cyber shattered Polaris' jaw in X-Facor #81. He states later on that he took out Polaris first, as a precautionary measure to the upcoming battle between the Hell's Belles and X-Factor, DUE to her power over metal... rather than in spite of it, thus his need to sucker-punch her the way he did. That however, is just me. What do you think?74.244.63.126 00:57, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, I recall him saying that. For all we know, the writers could have intended for him to keep it as a trophy. Since he actually came out and stated that he had plans to sell Wolverine's adamantium skeleton, that's going to hold more weight than a vague statement he made about having both an adamantium skeleton and adamantium skin. Exactly how he'd have both, if that's what the intention was, isn't mentioned. I don't doubt that he once was afraid of Cyber. Since there's a source to back it up, Wolverine's fear of him could be worked into the article. However, stating that he's Wolverine's most feared enemy is too close to POV. Just the way it sounds, as if it's completely definite. As far as tinkering with the incident with Polaris, the way it was originally written made it sound as if Cyber beating her was due to her magnetic powers, as if he was able to somehow turn them around and use them against her. Odin's Beard 01:19, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
Nah, don't sweat it, Odin. I see where you're coming from. I don't know... perhaps we should just leave his intentions out of the chapter altogether. It is kinda vague. Maybe he wanted his own adamantium skeleton. Maybe he wanted Wolverine's as a trophy. Maybe he wanted to sell it. Larry Hama probably doesn't even remember what he meant.
I added a spoiler for his most recent appearance, and included a note in the "Powers and Abilities" section to include a possible healing factor to explain the addition of his new adamantium laced skin (as it has been stated in various Marvel titles over the years that an accelerated healing factor is necessary in surviving the harsh adamantium bonding procedure).74.244.63.126 02:15, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
The problem is that you don't know how Milo's body withstood the process. Maybe he possesses a healing factor or maybe his body is exceptionally durable. Whatever the reason hasn't been revealed yet, so adding it is speculation. It's against Wikipedia policy to add speculation into the articles. If something isn't known, then that's how it's to be stated. Odin's Beard 02:31, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
No one can survive the adamantium bonding process without an accelerated healing factor. That's canon in the Marvel Universe. What issue ever revealed the original Cyber possessed a healing factor? It's not "speculation". It's implied.74.244.63.126 04:22, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
- Wolverine vol.2 #79, near the end of the issue and right before Cyber snaps the set of claws in his right arm, Wolverine slashes him across the face with his claws. They show a close up of Cyber's face and the scars left are healing rapidly. They aren't even bleeding. By the beginning of the next issue, the scars are completely gone. I've been keeping up with the Wolverine Origins series since it started and nowhere is it implied that Milo's body can heal superhumanly fast. At the end of #13, Cyber shows up wearing a costume identical Aside from Milo's body being superhumanly strong, nothing else is known. It's possible that his body does possess a healing factor and it's also possible that his body is extremely resistant to injury. Aside from him being superhumanly strong, nothing else has been revealed concerning Milo's other powers, or even if his body has any other powers for that matter. Odin's Beard 23:31, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
No, you're right Odin, we have seen examples of Cyber's healing factor at work, but the fact that he had a healing factor in the first place was never written about, either by his creator Peter David or Cyber's subsequent writers. When I first read Blood Hungry in '91, I and my friends avidly discussed the fact that me must have accelerated healing like Wolverine, to survive having adamantium grafted to his skin (as it covers even more surface area than the skeleton, and would seemingly require more adamantium), and until the events of Wolverine #79-81, with the slashes and burning of his face, Larry Hama must have just assumed he had a healing factor to start with when he wrote that story. With Milo's body surviving the adamantium bonding process, one can assume his body must also possess accelerated healing, as strength or resiliency alone doesn't cut it in surviving the bonding. Way may never actually mention a healing factor with Cyber's new body, but future writers will probably just assume one exists. Thanks for all your help, Odin. I appreciate it.74.244.63.126 20:44, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Milo
In the latest issue, a couple of cops are discussing Milo and that how whatever it is that made him grow so big and fast has damaged his heart. I'm beginning to wonder if Milo was mentally impaired or if he was, literally, a child with a fully grown man's body. He had a speech impediment, kind of reminded me of Elmer Fudd, that made him sound child-like. I figured that it was just part of his mental retardation. I don't know if enough has really been revealed about Milo yet to say for certain if he's merely an actual 5 or 6 year old child or if he has mental problems.Odin's Beard 18:27, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
I couldn't figure it out either. And the "bum ticker" angle... not exactly panning out to my healing-factor assumption. We'll have to wait and see what Way's got in mind.74.244.63.126 00:03, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Affiliations
As I updated the "Affiliations" piece, I included William Burke, though it has been suggested to me that particular recollection by Cyber may be suspect, as he was quite delusional in that story. Nevertheless, in the story itself, he recalls his affiliation with Burke. I left out an affiliation with the Dark Riders, as although he beleived there was a partnership, they were only interested in his adamantium, intending to kill him all along. I also left out The Tinkerer, as I felt it wasn't so much as an affiliation, so much as it was only Phineas being contracted to perform a service for a new paying client. The "pacemaker" deal was arranged by his client Logan, not Cyber. Thanks.74.244.63.126 16:10, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] The Devil's Brigade
The recent issue of Wolverine: Origins #17 reveals that Cyber was, in fact, Logan's commanding officer with the Devil's Brigade during the Allied invasion of Europe in World War II.
In regards to citing the issue number for the references at the bottom of the article, I wasn't sure how best to write it into the current events (i.e. in his resurrection article), as the story itself is a flashback, whereas the issue numbers are cited in chronological order. Also, the use of "spoiler warnings" seem to incite civil war within Wikipedia. Need the help from a veteran on this small point, thanks.74.244.63.126 17:43, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
- Well, as of right now, anything gathered from Origins #17 can't go into the article anyway. Including information taken from it violates the WP:Crystal policy. According to Marvel.com, the issue isn't set to be released until this Wednesday. Wikipedia isn't meant to be a crystal ball, hence the name of the policy. What the policy means, in a nutshell, is that information taken out of a comic book that hasn't been released violates the policy.Odin's Beard 23:00, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
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- My bad.74.244.63.126 22:01, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
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- No problem. I've been contributing here for over two years and I still don't have all the jillions of article policies completely squared away.Odin's Beard 22:50, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
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TRP:... he never does anything computronic - that cyber is the sword of beowulf - that this is the invention of the phoenix | peace --- it is IF that someone or something from an IF verse called CYBERPEACE would reinvent him ~... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.139.113.170 (talk) 10:42, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
