Talk:CyberBunker

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"declared a sovereign state in 2004" by whom?

By it's government ofcourse, as are all other countries.

Actually it's not sovereign or something like that. No other countries do know the country and it doesn't have an ISO code either

so? Does paying for an ISO code or mail routing (who needs snailmail anyway) make your country any more or less a country? from my point of view being a country or not is strictly limited to the capability to keep out intruders ;)

Should the dutch word onkruit be capitialized? It should. (will fix).

Onkruit actually deserves it's own wiki page but i feel i'm not the one to maintain it. (people whom are actually involved with this organisation also maintain websites and are the ones to present themselves the way -they- want to be presented, as it still is a rather controversial subject.)

[edit] A government

In what way have the owners who are/OR/claim-to-be a government acted as a government? If it's a government then what is the population/number of citizens? Is there a constitution (don't need the text of it but a date would belong)?

It's pretty obvious I'm so far unconvinced that they are, rather than claim-to-be, a government, but I'll listen if people have evidence. RJFJR 17:25, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

I wonder if Queen Beatrix knows about this? Movementarian 14:04, 12 December 2005 (UTC)

I think it is possible that they think they are a government, but in my opinion this is not a thing which should be mentioned on Wikipedia, since nobody recognize their government. If they are an independent state, they do not have to confirm to Dutch law and it is not allowed to trade freely with people in other countries I think (because they are not a part of the EU nor signed an agreement with the Dutch government, I suppose), because taxes should be paid. I think this statement about being a state should be removed from the article, because it is just bullshit. This way everybody could say they are an independent state. Maybe the Dutch authorities should be informed, so they can invade the country and reclaim the grounds from the 'foreign country'.

If they really are an independent state, it is reasonable to mention their location (at least), because it is rather strange to be a state but not to announce where your state is. The location is near Goes, in a village called Kloetinge.

-- Hi there,

Read up on the Montevideo Convention 1933. (definition of a state: government (check), defined borders(check), population (check), diplomatic relations(check)) as well as UN resolution 1514. which was already cited here (and basically provides the -right- to run a government)

Besides, as it's a NATO base, and therefore not dutch territory ever since 1955, it's not 'in' kloetinge or 'goes' but 'surrounded by'. just like san marino, the holy see (vatican), portugal, etc are not 'in' the respective countries that surround -them-.

anyway.. are you all either just jealous or clueless or can't read or some politically sponsored idiots who don't want to get the picture here.

greetings, His Royal Highness, Prince Sven Olaf of CyberBunker, Minister of Parliament.

(so far for your references - I personally highly doubt that the (ex-)NATO employees whom we have contact with will utter statements on something like wikipedia with their name anyway so you can't hope for more.. although there are some pages by the people from Onkruit and Fort van Sjakoo (whom appear to have the original paper files from 1981)) That's more of a 'we could tell you but then we'd have to kill you' thing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.178.84.106 (talk) 22:38, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Failed AFD

See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/CyberBunker. Johnleemk | Talk 18:55, 16 December 2005 (UTC)

UN resolution 1514(XV) (2) states that all peoples have the right to self-determination; by virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development

there you go..