Talk:Cups and balls

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I removed the following:

The curator of the Cups and Balls Museum has requested that no links be posted to his web site because of the exposure of magical secrets in the article above.

If one doesn't want people linking to one's site, then one should take it off the internet. If he doesn't like the spoilers in this article, then he shouldn't link to it. savidan^{(talk) (e@)} 06:11, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Removed two links

Removed the link to http://www.cupsandballs.nl/ which is just a commercial site selling cups and balls. Also removed http://magicsecrets.suddenlaunch3.com it's a good forum but it's about magic in general, not specifically Cups and Balls, so it's irrelevant to link to it here. --172.145.41.134 00:46, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Chop Cup

In 1936, Fred Lodge, a Scot, wrote "A Novel Cup And Ball Effect" on p. 26 of a (now rare) book entitled The Mysteries of the Mystic Seven. The secret was exactly the same as the one which would become famous 18 years later after being routined by Al Wheatley with one cup instead of two. Etienne Lorenceau

[edit] How to perform

I disagree with the assessment that it is unencyclopedic and simply an "instruction manual" to have a section discussing how the trick is performed.. Explaination of the principles behind a magic trick do not constitute an instruction manual. They constitute explaination of what principles of magic, slight of hand, etc. are present in a trick. I am also willing to bet a significant amount of money that 90% of people that read the "how it's done" sections of magic articles have no intent on ever attempting them - it's not an instruction manual, it's an explaination of the trick, which I don't see how you can claim is unencyclopedic. I know magicians like to keep the secrets of tricks a secret, but that's not an excuse for deleting stuff from wikipedia. TheHYPO 21:21, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

I have reverted the removal and cleaned the section up as much as I feel I can. It still needs quite a bit of work though. Since I don't really know too terribly much about the trick (only what I saw in a Penn & Teller video on YouTube), information may need to be changed or cleaned up. The pea game also needs to be cleaned up badly, I think it's really wordy as it is, but I don't know anything about this and I won't touch it with a ten foot pole because of it. However, I think I've gotten rid of a lot of the "instruction guide" tone and got it down to the basic elements instead of a step-by-step manual. --13² 03:27, 6 June 2007 (UTC)