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}} Here's some stuff I can quite swallow about the article.
- First of all, it's the first time i've ever seen Rafaga or Gilda labeled glamorous cumbia (what's the spanish expression?). I've always read, heard on TV, or named by people by either cumbia or Musica Tropical (tropical music), or even pachanga. I think the "glamorous cumbia" label is not correct.
- Second. The bands are dressed in Epoque suits of the 19th Century, and they wear jewelry, sometimes becoming close to an image that can be described like a Liberace style. Besides Ráfaga, I can't think of other bands matching the description. But I hardly listen -let alone watch- cumbia (besides some Gilda back in 1998). Searches on Gilda, and pics of Walter Olmos, Grupo Sombras (Antonio Rios listed on the article was Sombras' singer), Daniel Agostini, Amar Azul, are hard to see as liberace.
- Third, regional scene in the genrebox links Argentina to cumbia villera, which is a currently sucessful offspring (among many offsprings) from the whole argentine cumbia scene, not the whole scene.
- Fourth, Cumbia and Cuarteto have been popular in lower classes in Argentina, previously to the 90s. The boom on urban centres such as Rosario or Buenos Aires, doesn't change the fact they were already very popular on the north of Argentina or Cordoba.
- Fifth, the article starts saying cumbia is from Colombia, and roughly half the article talks about Cumbia from Argentina. Argentine cumbia should be moved to an article by itself (and the link on the genrebox directed to it).
- Sixth, the (imho) real cumbia is barely mentioned. The spanish wikipedia article is quite extensive es:Cumbia. This is actually a suggestion, which I would be glad to help to translate.
On a side, I think Luna Nueva deserves to be mentioned on the Argentine Cumbia article, they even performed on the Luna Park... SpiceMan 22:32, 17 July 2005 (UTC)
- I agree in most (if not all) your above mentioned points. Glamorous Cumbia seams to be an original phrase of the anonymous user who created both Glamorous cumbia and Gauchos Pesados. I've got no clue about Luna Nueva. We defenitely need an Argentine Cumbia article. -Mariano 08:53, 18 July 2005 (UTC)
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- 'Tis done, yet woefully incomplete. I took Mexican and Argentine cumbia out and into their own articles, but Argentine cumbia is rather small and Mexican cumbia is barely a stub. Got a link to it in Music of Mexico too. --Pablo D. Flores (Talk) 21:47, 29 August 2005 (UTC)
[edit] National cumbias
Cumbia surged in Colombia and expanded to other countries, its a fact. To be considered cumbia it must have a single identity that determines that is a cumbia, for this you can then talk about sub-genres; colombian cumbia, argentinian cumbia, mexican cumbia and please find out and explain what makes the differences among these sub-genres. there is no need to create new pages about these subgenres because I dont think they defer that much from each other, maybe one or two instruments but in essence they are the same. —This unsigned comment was added by F3rn4nd0 (talk • contribs) 03:23, 23 March 2006.
- (I took the liberty of rearranging the above and signing. Please use --~~~~ to sign and date your contributions.) I don't remember now why exactly I split those articles (it was in August 2005!) but I assume it must have been because they are different. The instruments might be similar but history, influences and offshoots/derivations are not. Mixing the history of Arg. cumbia villera with that of Mex. sonidero surely isn't right, is it? I'd rather have several small articles with the particulars of each national cumbia well marked, instead one big article with sections where you don't have enough room to cover minor details. --Pablo D. Flores (Talk) 10:36, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
yep I thought about it after readaing about it.. thanks.. F3rn4nd0 (talk contribs)
Thanks for telling me, Im pretty much new to wikipedia... I need someone to please help me (if necessary) to complete the summarized list of instruments... F3rn4nd0 (talk
- Cumbia as a courtship ritual is actually part of cumbia's origins, it's part of traditional cumbia and not modern cumbia. F3rn4nd0 (talk
[edit] Links
Why is there a link to http://www.sonidoextasis.com.mx? As an example of Cumbia, you might just as well include a link to any other band or, better yet, to a website that offers a variety of free samples of Cumbia music. I've found that address but there are possibly many others: http://music.download.com/2001-9061_32-0.html - 83.129.176.181 17:08, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Peruvian Cumbia
This section does not adequately describe Peruvian Cumbia, instead opting to discuss the sub-genre Chicha. Chicha should be in its own article (current article about Chicha is about food by the same name). Additionally, the artists selected as examples of Peruvian Chicha are not good examples at all. Chicha has more of a psychedelia influence than any of the examples represent. "Etc." is not acceptable in a list of exemplary artists of the particular style. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.152.199.162 (talk) 13:43, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
