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well i have posted a picture,and i have given it as a link with sufficient warning.i hope everybody enjoys it.--Jayanthv86 11:10, 20 January 2006 (UTC)


There's also an increasing practice of having the receiving partner express sexual arousal or even have a sexual climax during the money shot. This seems to be very popular in mainstream commercial American pornography and usually coincides with a seperation of the money shot from the actual intercourse: instead of just "going on" until he climaxes, the giver pulls out and masturbates in front of the receiver's face until he climaxes. I suspect that this practice is intended to increase the suspense by delaying the money shot as this last scene is oftenly recorded with quick cuts, intense music and increasing groans (of either partner). a pleasure


I suppose this might stem from facial money shots becoming a de facto standard in the industry and the producers trying to seperate the neccessary transition from sexual intercourse to the actual facial to make the money shot a bit less abrupt.

I might be interpreting too much here, after all pornography is all about sexual stimuli, but it's still about competition and thus innovation.

--Ashmodai 16:26, 2 May 2005 (UTC)

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[edit] more information wanted

Here is a quote from the article on facials: Some people consider this act disrespectful to the person on the receiving end, although some people do receive sexual pleasure from it, and some claim that since the human face is an amalgam of our most unique physical characteristics - it is an expression of the desire to copulate directly with the most intimate part of one's partner. Whether it is really an act of disrespect depends on the mutual perceptions and intentions of the participants. What do you believe?

"What do you believe?"? It's a matter of opinion, much like any act or gesture. I'd generally consider it somewhat erotic, but I know a lot of people who consider it simply gross, and thus probably rather disrespectful. In sex, the receiving partner should have the last word. If the giver thinks it's a big turn on, but the receiver doesn't share the sympathies, it's a no-go. If the giver considers it really gross, the receiver shouldn't force it either.
Pretty much what the article says: whether it is disrespectful (i.e. humiliating) depends on the mutual perceptions rather than a dictionary definition. Also, there's still the question whether it's playfully disrespectful (think Dom/sub) or offensively disrespectful (think rape). Despite all the porn clichés, in most cases "no" really does mean "no". — Ashmodai (talk · contribs) 20:40, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Does anyone know where there is related information (book, webpage, other) similar to this article.

[edit] Illustration or not?

I don't think we need an illustration here. Photos of cum shots of any kind don't seem the best way to go if illustration is neccessary and almost everyone interested in the term knows what a human looks like (which varies widely) and what ejaculate usually looks like (which also varies widely) and SHOULD be able to put both things together (or read up the looks of ejaculate and humans to get the point).

Additionally the main topic of this article is an act, not a result. Since ejaculation is covered by anatomy articles, I think an illustration would fit those articles better than this one since there is little illustrative value in pictures of a person being ejaculated onto or into (again, descriptions should suffice) rather than just showing what an ejaculation looks like (which is again, rather pointless since the intensity can vary between dribbling and squirting and neither needs an illustration to get the point across).

Please use this talk page to discuss what kind of illustration (if any) should be added before adding photos (especially ones with questionable copyright status) on your own. I personally don't see any reason to add any illustration at all, but that doesn't mean I'm right (there is ptill the unlikely possibility for an alien species one day trying to find out about everything eelated to mankind and maybe they WILL need a picture to understand what it's about). nUser:Ashmodai|Ashmodai]] 02:33, 19 September 2005 (UTC) iAlmost everybody knows a hand, a foot, a road or a street when they see one, set these articles still have pictures of normal hands, feet etc - so clearly saying that people SHOULD know what a cum shot looks like, is not a good reason not to have an illustration in this article. I do agree however, that a photograph might not be ideal. How about an animated .gif, showing a cum shot in a loop? David Sneek 08:57, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

The term seems to refer to both, videos and photographs. So a photo might fulfill the purpose just as well. Considering this article is about a particular type of photograph or film sequence, I guess this might be a special case and actually qualify for photographical illustration. I'll stay neutral for now, however. If you intend to include a photo, I'd suggest starting a poll first, possibly with an example of the kind of (GFDLed!) photo you'd like to include. -- Ashmodai
I'm imaging Wikipedians trying to convince their wives to let them take a GFDL'd cumshot photo. —Casey J. Morris 02:10, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
  • I think a photo would add a little to the article in terms of helping people visualize what one looks like, but it would take away much more. Mainstream reference tools adhere to greater standards than just verifiability. Including images of such a thing lowers our credibility as a mainstream resource. Therefore, I am against having such a photo in this article, or any similar article. Johntex\talk 19:26, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
    • Since Wikipedia isn't censored, unlike mainstream reference tools, I think we should certainly have an image. I don't like the animated gif on loop idea: that's just distracting. LWizard @ 08:40, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
As I explained at Talk:Ejaculation, censorship is not the main concern. Johntex\talk 05:54, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
I agree with Johntex here; a photo of a cumshot would be gratuitous in this context. Vastly more people would be offended than educated, and I think many would be wary of following wikipedia links in the future.Jim whitson 08:43, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
Considering that there are uncensored articles on racist terms, nazism, and general obsceneties that seems to be a rather poor argument. Perhaps instead of a direct inline picture a link could be added to the bottom. --Superslash 21:14, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Oh for pete's sake, the request for an illustration was joke. This is an encyclopedia. The description of the cum shot and its variations is about as visual as my stomach can take. ~ Otterpops 21:10, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

I find it both strange and funny that mammary intercourse and pearl necklace have illustrations, but not the most normal/natural circumstance with a simple ejaculation? It feels a bit like having pictures of BDSM clamps on nipples, but not pictures on breastfeeding. 213.114.117.233 18:08, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Article name?

It's "come shot" in the title, but "cum shot" all through the article, including headwords. Oughtn't that to be standardised on one or the other? Loganberry (Talk) 04:17, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Done and done. I've changed the article to always use "come shot." This is the spelling preferred by the OED (which includes the phrase since 2002), though it does list both. This choice is certainly debatable, though, since "cum shot" trounces "come shot" in a Google competition (at a ratio over 100:1), and we might want to be guided in our choice of language by actual usage. LWizard @ 04:53, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
Good work on improving the article for consistency. I think in this case either spelling is defensible. Since you have the OED reference, and since people may come here and be surprised about the spelling, it would be great if you could add a reference to the OED into the article. Johntex\talk 05:53, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
I do agree the spelling should be consistent though. Should we change the spelling in the article to "come" or should we change the name of the article to "cum"? Johntex\talk 01:27, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
I'm in favor of keeping the article using "come" and not "cum." Then again, I'm a prescriptivist. . . LWizard @ 01:29, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

I don't suggest that we blindly follow the Google count, but I think it is an interesting data point on frequency of use: "come shot"=22,000 hits (not all porn related) "cum shot"=4,440,000 hits (seem to all be porn related).
WP:NAME, which is the policy on article naming, does state: "Convention: Use the most common name of a person or thing that does not conflict with the names of other people or things. Rationale and specifics: Wikipedia:Naming conventions (common names)" Johntex\talk 01:40, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

The question is whether this is a Tidal wave case or a Jimmy Carter case. In my opinion, the spelling "cum" is incorrect. As a (contrived) analogy, you can get more Google hits for "L'Hopital's rule" than for "L'Hôpital's rule," but we have our article at the correct spelling. Moving the article to "Cum shot" would just be making a common mistake. LWizard @ 03:27, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
"Cum shot" makes more sense to me (as article title and throughout). The phrase is already in the realm of slang and jargon (unlike L'Hôpital's rule), so it seems disingenous to edit it away from common usage. And, per WP:NAME: "When choosing a name for a page ask yourself: What word would the average user of the Wikipedia put into the search engine?" Pretty clearly, cum shot. Fireplace 11:30, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Under Wikipedia rules, the name is decided by the Most Common Name principle laid down in our Manual of Style. All the evidence shows that the MCN here (by a mile) is cum shot. It may once have been incorrect (just as to write cows was incorrect. But just as cows has replaced what used to be seen as the correct plural, kyne, so come on the overwhelming evidence of usage has been replaced by cum. In fact I cannot think of anywhere but here in recent years I've seen it spelt come. FearÉIREANN\(caint) 01:21, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

What about creating another page for "Cum shot" and then redirect to here? I'd just do it but I'm very new at this and not confident that I'd do it right.
~ Otterpops 11:26, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Linkimage

I changed the photo to a linkimage. This has the advatnage that an ususpecting reader (who may be looking up this term for the first time with no understanding of the meaning) is not confronted with a graphic sexual image. At the same time, it is available behind a single click for those who want to know more. Johntex\talk 22:14, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Someone reverted it, please if you think it should be deleted discuss in the talk page first. 130.166.81.166

[edit] Too heteronormative

Gay facials are widely popular in gay sex and porn, yet the article focuses almost exclusively on 'hetero' norms. Also, the issue of male 'domination' in which the receiving partner is also male is not discussed.65.81.27.35 10:42, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] copy edit

Grammar, punctuation, language plus removal of hetero-assumptions and reference check. Problem in author citing ribald opinion columns as if they were news articles (the "San Francisco doctor of sexology", Peter Santor Gardos, does not exist on Google apart from these two columns). ~ Otterpops 21:22, 24 February 2007 (UTC) Hi Otterpops, Dr. Gardos is a psychologist who offers sex therapy. Here's his info:

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Peter Sandor Gardos, Ph.D., Clinical Psychologist, College of Physicians and Surgeons, Columbia University, 601 West 168th Street, Suite 21, New York, NY 10032, Phone: 212-923-7479, E-Mail: Sexologist@aol.com, Website: http://members.aol.com/sexologist/. General Psychotherapy and Sex Therapy with individuals, couples,, and groups. http://www.zoominfo.com/people/Gardos_Peter_7101644.aspxM.O. (talk) 00:06, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Silliness

This article is full of silliness—appropriate, perhaps, for an opinion piece but not for an encyclopedic article. But this is to be expected. If anyone is serious, open the edit window and delete every sentence that looks like the author romancing or indulging. Perhaps anonymous contributors want to display their Quixotic intellect. Meep 15:10, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 1990s?

First used in the 1990s, the cum shot was usually an ejaculation near the anus or lower back or onto the face depending on the sexual position portrayed.

You've got to be kidding! I'm sorry but the practice of ejaculating onto the other person's body goes back to the earliest days of porn films. It was standard practice when adult films first began to be made and shown openly in the 1970s. How someone could think it was "First used in the 1990s" is beyond me. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Beetfarm Louie (talk • contribs) 13:42, 14 April 2007 (UTC).

[edit] Poor linking in initial paragraph

Hey... I'd consider removing the links to pussy and ass (which lead to either the wrong thing, or a disambiguation page), or even better, changing the wording to somehting more appropriate. I didn't want to pre-empt the author's decision, so I wont change it myself unless it stands indefinately. Jddriessen 13:20, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] money shot links here

that's i think a little rough. money shot can mean much more than a cum shot. can we rethink this?

--202.156.13.1 14:27, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Stupid men

What horseshit is this, that girl on girl scenes don't have cum shots?

[edit] Removed image

I have removed the image on this page, as it is pornographic. --carelesshx talk 00:41, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

I am so not getting into an edit war on this page, but Wikipedia is not censored. --Haemo 00:42, 17 September 2007 (UTC)
See also WP:PROFANITY, specifically: Words and images that would be considered offensive, profane, or obscene by typical Wikipedia readers should be used if and only if their omission would cause the article to be less informative, relevant, or accurate. I think the article text describes a cumshot in sufficient detail that that particular image is not required. --carelesshx talk 00:01, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Ana's pic

Does "Ana" know about her appearance? --84.161.203.227 20:04, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] I put back older version with references

The article has lost all of its referenced content. If any article in WIkiped needs references to keep it from being a den of Original Reasearch and speculation, it is this one. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. Getting an encyclopedic tone on an article like "come shot" is hard, but we can try. How? Reference the term using reputable printed sources, not Original Research. This older version includes quotes from Filmmakers Guide to Pornography, articles, books, etc. Much more encyclopedia-like. Not all Wkped articles need to be heavily-sourced. But I think this one should be.M.O. (talk) 12:26, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Merger proposal

I propose that Facial (sex act) be merged here. The facial is but a subtype of the cumshot and does not have enough notability to have its own entry. DeeKenn (talk) 00:03, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

To be more clear: The bulk of the Facial (sex act) article's content is about its role in pornography. If you remove that information, then you are merely left with a definition of a slang term. And Wikipedia is not a dictionary. DeeKenn (talk) 00:30, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
This is not correct. The facial article consists of a brief and slightly confused definition of the act (confusing it with the subject of facials in pornography), then goes on to a relatively long and unreferenced description of porn facials (which I agree is duplicative of material in this article though not inappropriate to include by itself) and then briefly discusses (with extensive citations) some ways in which facial ejaculation is important to actual human sexuality. The facial article is one of the wiki series on specific sex acts, not on pornography per se. Ejaculating on the face is a very common practice in human sexuality and one that many people come to wikipedia seeing information on. I do not understand this push to reduce human sexuality to pornography. The facial article needs to keep being expanded and referenced and made more useful to those seeking information on real world sexual practices. Certainly people whose sex lives are centered around pornographic movies should be able to find information on those films and how they are made too, but that is NOT the bulk of the wikipedia audience (though perhaps represents the majority of young editors) and there is no basis to subsume important human sexuality articles under the topic of pornography OR (as has also been proposed) merging them into broad articles like that on semen in general. Are you proposing merging the oral sex, anal sex and other human sexuality articles into articles on porn?? What is the obsession with pornography?Veritas23 (talk) 12:24, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
As far as I can see, there obviously is no obsession with pornography; it's about proper classification of articles with their respective subject matter. If the facial article is, as you say, slightly confused in its definition, then discuss, expand, and clarify. The way I understand it from your POV is that while facials exist in pornography, you believe that it is also common enough in "normal" sexual activity to warrant an article unto itself. That's reasonable. For your rhetorical: not all sex acts are pornographic, but many occur in pornography, so there will be some duplicity between the articles. DeeKenn (talk) 23:50, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
I don't see a reason not to merge. Carl.bunderson (talk) 07:01, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Don't merge them ALL together. Merge Cum shot, Mammary intercourse, Pearl necklace (sexuality), and Bukkake together. But keep Facial (sex act) as its own separate article. The others are specific/pornorgraphic/group sex acts that should be merged together. Facial (sex act) is its own separate thing. Rustdiamonds (talk) 15:21, 24 May 2008 (UTC)