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To begin Print media Film Cultural organisations and events Minority cultures To expand Religion Sport Irish Dance

As this gets fleshed out, we need to delink the headings. Filiocht 11:54, 17 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Contents 1 Sections to cover 2 Russians in Limerick 3 Religion 4 Move?

[edit] Sections to cover

Is the proposed Politics section appropriate? And if there is material relating to Irish politics belonging in a cultural article, should it just be covered under other sections?

How far do we go with covering separate topics which loosely fall under culture, e.g. Sport in Ireland?

zoney ♣ talk 14:52, 21 Sep 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Russians in Limerick

I added a bit about the number of Russians in Limerick. It might seem very high (and it did to me when I heard it) but it comes from the immigration officer in Henry's Street garda station. Seabhcan 00:34, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)

We've a Russian food shop. I'm unsure as to whether the above counts as a reliable source, or just the Garda's "off-hand" guess. I seriously doubt 1/20th Limerick's pop is from Russia. I mean, there probably is only just 5% immigrant pop, even that sounds a bit high. People tend to inflate such figures. zoney ♣ talk 09:51, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Seems inflated to me, too. That would mean about 3,500 people, I guess? Filiocht 10:03, 22 Sep 2004 (UTC)

Census 2002 only lists 171 people of Orthodox religion in Limerick City, so I suggest removing this statistic or at least reducing it to something on the lines of 'Several cities in Ireland have growing numbers of immigrants from Eastern European countries, who continue to speak Russian, Latvian, etc' or some such. Perhaps deal with it by extending the empty 'New immigrants' section. Jlang 16:01, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC)

All non-eu foreigners in Ireland must register with the Gardai and the Gard in question is in charge of the registering in Limerick (and a bit of the surrounding area). On his shelf in Henry's Street station he has stacks of folders with names, addresses and descriptions of every (legal) resident foreigner in the Limerick area. He showed me the folder for Russians, Belorussian and Ukrainians when I was in his office last time in 2001. (My girlfriend was registering, we're married now so she doesn't need to register anymore). He told me that they have over 3,000 'Russians' on his books. Re what Jlang was saying... only a small minority of Russians would count themselves as Orthodox. More telling would be the increase in the "no Religion" numbers in the last census. Non-Religious are now the largest minority 'faith' in Ireland, second after Catholic (but of course nearly all of these are Irish people like myself). Seabhcan 10:32, 22 Oct 2004 (UTC)

And the fastest growing group, it should be noted. I cannot speak about the Russian population in Limerick specifically, but the fact is that immigrant communities tend to cluster in the bigger towns and cities, so it is perfectly possible that Limerick would have a large Russian community. The fact that the city supports a Russian food shop (see above) would indicate a population considerably bigger than 175 people. Filiocht 10:41, Oct 22, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Religion

the last time a census asked people to specify their religion was 1991

This is just plain wrong. I recollect a census taken in 2000/1/2/3 with a question on religion (being a non-denominational Christian, I remember it because that of course, is not an option, nor did it fit in the "other" box provided). So can we fix this? Are the statistics from 1991? Where would we find updated statistics? zoney ♣ talk 23:25, 19 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Updated to 2002: the changes are interesting. Filiocht 07:53, Oct 20, 2004 (UTC)

Try this (i have not checked it) CSO: Volume 12 - Religion Djegan 09:51, 20 Oct 2004 (UTC)

That's what I used this morning to update the article. Filiocht 10:16, Oct 20, 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Move?

should this be moved to the Culture of The Republic of Ireland perhaps? -DMurphy 01:30, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

I would say a consensus (but not neccessarily a vote) is most certainly required for this one. The fundemental question will Probably be are two separate articles sustainable (and remembering that culture can transcend political boundaries)?Djegan 18:36, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Well, considering I have nothing to do with the article, I don't mean to meddle. I only ask because the Culture of Europe navigation box links to Culture of The Republic of Ireland, which currently doesn't exist. It seems to me, as you said, that the culture does transcend political boundaries, but the other side is that most other categories of articles have one for ROI and one for NI. So, at the very least, I'd suggest a redirect from Culture of The Republic of Ireland to this article, which I'll go add now. --DMurphy 22:01, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Actually, I have no firm opinion either about should it be moved. Some Ireland-related topics clearly require a Republic/Northern split, for instance, education in the Republic of Ireland and education in Northern Ireland. Whilst other topics require one article such as counties of Ireland because while their are fundemental differences their would also be duplication in two articles, particularily in background, history, significance, etc. Its just a point to consider. Djegan 22:37, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

I accept the reality of partition and use the correct names of the two states on the island of Ireland. There is a need for ROI and NI articles. However, I would be completely against creating two seperate "Culture of" articles. Culture transcends the political boundaries, as Djegan points out. --Damac 22:59, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

I agree with Damac. Let's think about this: are music, sport, literature so different between the two parts of the island? There are many things (including education, as DJ remarks) where it makes sense to treat the two states separately. There are others, such as traditional music, where that would make no sense at all. There is a wide category in between, including sport, contemporary literature, transport, where it probably makes sense to talk of both an all-Ireland aspect and RoI and NI aspects. Irish culture, however, goes back a fair way beyond 1921 and it wouldn't make any sense to split it up. I would suggest that if the use of link-generating templates on pages like [[Culture of Europe] create a link to Culture of the Republic of Ireland, that link should be redirected here. There are of course many important cultural specifities to the Republic but they are of rather more marginal interest. Palmiro | Talk 10:39, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

hi!

I have to say that this article is very heavily-weighted toward culture in the Republic of Ireland, whilst only touching Northern Ireland (mentioning the usual "Protestant vs Roman Catholics" crap that we come to expect). There already exists a Culture of Northern Ireland article (which needs exanding by the way), so perhaps a Culture of the Republic of Ireland article does need to exist. The culture of Northern Ireland does, as a couple of editors above have noted, very much cross over with that of the Republic. However, much of the culture of Northern Ireland crosses over with that of British culture also.. as does, I would suggest, that of the Republic. The two countries are, I would venture, far more similar to one another than they are to other European countries.. at the minute anyway. --Mal 08:26, 27 February 2007 (UTC)