Talk:Cultural impact of Star Wars

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Didn't there used to be a page around here somewhere with a list of pop culture references to Star Wars? For example, noting when in The Simpsons television show a Star Wars reference appears and briefly describing it. Just wondering. 67.53.78.15 06:42, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

Pop culture articles, especially when they take the form of lists, don't stick around long, I'm afraid. Ichormosquito 23:34, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Drat. It's not like they are not "encyclopedic" or anything. The list was quite long and I've seen other equally long ones on wikipedia for pop culture items, so I wonder just how long the "don't stick around long" is. Still, I haven't been able to find the history of it. And aren't "reasons for removal" of significant items usually posted on the talk pages? Maybe I've not searched long enough. But, oh well. 67.53.78.15 16:47, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Reagan

I spot two problems in this article.

1. "Another example is U.S. President Ronald Reagan's labeling the Soviet Union as an 'evil empire'. This reference assumed — correctly — that the fictional Galactic Empire of Star Wars had entered the American lexicon."
2. "Similarly, Reagan employed 'Star Wars' as the colloquial name for his Strategic Defense Initiative program."

Point 1 presumes, perhaps unwarrantedly, that Reagan was making a conscious reference to the "Empire" of the Star Wars films. The combination of the words "evil" and "empire" do not, by themselves, justify this implication. Imperialism as an instrument of foreign policy predates the Star Wars films by several thousand years, and the Soviet state from WWII onward certainly positioned itself as an empire with the invasion and occupation of numerous neighboring states. Unless a quote from Reagan or one of his speechwriters positively linking the remark to the Star Wars Galactic Empire surfaces, the association is unjustified. Point 2 may be propagating a falsehood. Did Reagan ever use the term "Star Wars" to describe the Strategic Defense Initiative? Or was it only those public interest group opponents of the program who were using the term to ridicule it? Unless these issues are addressed with citations, I will delete the first assertion and reword the second point in a few days. Robert K S 13:26, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

No one has addressed the above issues, so I have modified the article to remove or rephrase the incorrect assertions. Robert K S 23:18, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Query to editors

I would like to add an external link to this page, but, having read the guidelines, I realise that by doing so I may create a conflict of interest situation.

I am currently writing a book about the metaphysical background to Star Wars reaching well beyound the now all too familiar references to the Myth of the Hero. It is a serious academic work which involved re-thinking of Joseph Campbell and enlarging on his concepts. In order to test the interest of potential readers and to have something to show to possible publishers without dumping a wad of unsolicited bumf onto them, I made a website which on some 20-odd pages introduces the main themes and proposals of the book and explains the various concepts involved. It is glaringly obvious that a link to Wikipedia Star Wars portal where my potential readers -- and even publishers -- hang out, has to be advantageous to the future prospects of my book. I cannot in all honesty deny being motivated by this. On the other hand, the content of the site could be, I believe, of value in the context of this page, and of interest in particular to those readers who do not propose to delve deeper into the book once (if ever) it comes out. The site is cleanly written and does not contain any advertising. It is in no way endorsed by Lucasfilm or any other organisation or business.

I would like you to advise me on this. I cannot give the URL here because I could already be transgressing by doing this. Those who wish to view my site could perhaps mail me on ligia-at-f2s.com (please copy the address into your e-mail editor and replace -at- with the @ sign) or use the e-mail feature in the toolbox, and I'll forward the link on demand. I shall return to this page daily to see any advice. Thank you in advance! --Ligia Luckhurst 00:55, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Please put the link on this page and briefly explain relevance to article and ask could an editor add it if it seems appropriate. Benjiboi 17:47, 3 November 2007 (UTC

Here is the link to the abovementioned site, which is called "An Edifice of Intent -- The Metaphysics of Star Wars":

http://www.starwars-edifice.co.uk

I have never placed links into Wikipedia before, so forgive me if you have to copy and paste into your browser rather than just click on it. If and when it comes to the real link, I'll make a study of how it's done.

Relevance to the article: Star Wars have by its appearance on the scene altered the face of our world to a degree which we cannot even fully appreciate since it is so deeply embedded in our current culture -- and culture is in itself the face of the world. My book which is still a work in progress takes the wiew that this was possible because Lucas, guided by the ideas of Joseph Campbell, through his impeccable intent to create a new global myth, managed to tap into the same ancient magical structures which gave us myths in the past -- used the Force, so to speak. I examine the work of Joseph Campbell in considerable detail, as well as the creative process required to produce work that has the power to change the world.

Editors, please take a look at my site when you have the time and, if you feel that its content is useful, be so good as to add the link to the article.

Thank you in advance!--Ligia Luckhurst 20:23, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Seems well-written and non-commercial (spam) site, I'm adding as useful for reader's interetsed in the subject. Benjiboi 00:54, 6 November 2007 (UTC

Thanks Benjiboi, Force be with you! --Ligia Luckhurst 19:36, 6 November 2007 (UTC)