Talk:Cultural depictions of Joan of Arc
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[edit] Dates
PLEASE, put the years of these works. I may do so myself at some point, but haven't the time right now.
- Good idea. This page has gotten uneven attention. I translated most of the fine art from the French Wikipedia, where date information was spotty. It's a question of time on my part too. Durova 06:30, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
- Added dates to the literature section. Expanded the film section. Converted some sections to table format. Durova 01:18, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
Most of the entries in popular music have dates now also. Adding to television. Durova 19:15, 17 March 2006 (UTC) Most of the paintings have dates now. Durova 04:00, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Progress
6 out of 9 sections are now in table format. Still need dates for most of the computer games and anime. Sculpture needs reorganization and translation of a few scattered entries from French. It's probably best to make sculpture a single section and include table notes to indicate whether a piece is equestrian. Durova 07:29, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
This article should be merged with the regular Joan of Arc page. It would make a very nice and concise addition to it.
- Actually it began as part of the main article and split off due to space constraints. Durova 21:23, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
[edit] suggested image
I think this looks alot like her. I doubt she would be that thin though.
Image:Http://www.insideartshow.com/gallery/2004/Banko Janeen/Joan of Arc.jpg
[edit] Serieal Experiments: Lain
I deleted my addition of Serial Experiments: Lain from the list as even thought the subject is highly reminiscent, I couldn't find any direct reference of Joan of Arc in the anime and I don't feel that this list is intended to just any fictionnal young woman inspired by the voice of God to save the world by fighting alienation. --SidiLemine 12:33, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Shakespeare and Voltaire
Descriptions of these two portrayals have been rewritten twice now, advocating dubious assertions, and blanking the link to the Gutenberg Project text for Henry VI, Part I. This has the appearance of a pattern of vandalism in which both authors' names were also deleted from the main article. If there is some legitimate reason for these changes please state it here, along with a citation for the claim that public opinion forced Shakespeare to change Joan of Arc from a sympathetic figure to a villain in different drafts. If these changes recur without explanation I will report them for formal action as vandalism. Durova 18:50, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Ash by Mary Gentle?
Haven't actually read this huge trilogy yet, but reviews of it suggest that it has some parallel or connection with the history of Joan of Arc. Can someone who has read it confirm if it belongs here or not? --Jim Henry 18:29, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Clone high
Joan of arc is cloned and is a main character in the 2003 MTV series Clone High. Might be worth noting.
[edit] Music
There are two works of music inspired by St Joan which I don't think fit into "opera/oratorio" or "popular music." One is Voices of Light, a choral score to the Dreyer film which is frequently performed both with and without the film accompanying it; the other is the set of choruses from The Lark, written by Leonard Bernstein. I propose changing the title of "opera/oratorio", though to what? Not "classical music" as I hate it when that is used to mean the inverse of "pop music." Thoughts?--Dmz5 19:10, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
- Oh I'm a moron and didn't see Voices of Light already there, but nonetheless I think the title should change. Voices of Light is not an oratorio (this word does actually have a definition and isn't synonymous with "big choral work.") I'm going to change the heading, please let me know if you don't like it.--Dmz5 19:12, 9 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Joan of Arc as Slayer of her generation
As far as I can tell, there is nothing in Buffyverse cannon that suggests she was called as the slayer. I'm removing this until somebody can cite a reference.
[edit] Another song
I don't know what year it came out and I'm not up on Wiki formatting yet so I'll put it here for now. The Doug Anthony All Stars, an Australian comedy/satire group had a rather uncouth (but funny) song called Joan Of Arc. Gemfyre 02:44, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
[edit] It is my opinion
that the [[Paul Debois}Paul DeBois]] statue in Reims is an equestrian statue and not a standing one as is listed in the chart of statues - so, I changed it. Be Bold, and I'm sure the Maid of Orleans would agree. Carptrash 19:37, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Her paintings
This should be featured, I haven't seen anything about it more than a few lines of description I have got hold of it. My own photos taken by me.
Praying: http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/1388/img14wu2.jpg
In arms: http://img411.imageshack.us/img411/6259/img15mw5.jpg
Can it be used on this section? (Phu2734 06:57, 16 March 2007 (UTC))
- The best place for that would be the sister project Wikimedia Commons. When you upload please note as much relevant information as possible: the location and date when the photograph was taken as well as (if you know it) the artist and date when the images were created. DurovaCharge! 02:30, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Deteriorated
This is a featured list, but I think it's deteriorated to the point where it really shouldn't be featured anymore. The list sets up boundaries but they aren't followed -- depictions of Joan of Arc are one thing, but works inspired by the story, or characters with similar names push those boundaries too much. There are almost no inline citations, which is one of the featured list requirements. Some of the material is questionable, especially in the video game section which is unreferenced. The paintings and opera sections are unreferenced. Is there anyone out there who wants to work on these issues? If not, I will probably list this at WP:FLRC after a while. Mangojuicetalk 21:03, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Downsizing
I intend to remove most of the items in the "Joan of Arc in popular culture" section because Wikipedia is not a directory, as many entries are not made famous by their association with the figure. These include the mention of the figure in song lyrics. Items that will be kept include media directly based on the figure. Below is a sample list of things that I will remove and things that I will leave:
- Removing items like
- "This Bug" (song) - Silverfish - Includes the lyrics, "Sometimes I feel like Joan of Arc -- the way I bite, and spit and bark."
- Mario's Time Machine - Joan of Arc appears as a character.
- Legends of the Hidden Temple - Game show where teams of kids or teenagers try to find historical artifacts, one of them being the Helmet of Joan of Arc
- Top 10: The Forty-Niners - One of the officers, named Joanna Dark, dresses in chainmail and uses holy powers.
- Keeping items like
- Jeanne d'Arc (album) - Thy Majestie - Concept album about Joan of Arc by a power metal band from Italy.
- Joan of Arcadia - CBS series theme inspired by Joan of Arc, features a girl about Joan's age who speaks with God and uses His influence to do good deeds in her community.
- Jeanne d'Arc - PSP game, Title character in a fantasy universe loosely based on the historical story.
- D'arc: Histoire de Jeanne D'arc - Two volume fantasy retelling the story of Joan of Arc. Art by Katsuya Kondō and story by Ken'ichi Sakemi.
If there are any issues with the removal of entries that are not entirely based on Joan of Arc, please say so here. This trivia otherwise should be removed to keep a cleaner list of significant entries. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 17:43, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
- I have removed the more trivial items from the lists of appearances. Items that indicated a direct influence from the figure, such as a song or TV show based on her, were kept. Some items seem questionable, though, like the figure appearing as one of many in a fighting or strategy game. Otherwise, I don't believe that the removed items were too debatable. —Erik (talk • contrib) - 19:22, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Martha Graham's ballet Seraphic Dialogue
Martha Graham made a ballet about Joan of Arc called Seraphic Dialogue. [1] I'm not sure, but I thought maybe some would be interested in including this on this page. -- Andrew Parodi (talk) 13:44, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
