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[edit] Culottes vs. "Skorts"
What is the difference between culottes and skorts? I really dislike the trendiness (in a bad way) of the whole skort name, so I was happy to see that it might have a more traditional name. Just curious.
If there is no difference, I recommend a link to culottes in the "skort" section of shorts Ckamaeleon 01:55, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
- AIUI skorts have a piece that goes straight across the front like a skirt, and tend to look like normal shorts from the back. So they're quite different garments altogether. FTM, is anyone sure whether one of this garment is a "skort" or "skorts"? Both versions seem to get used. -- Smjg 09:35, 21 October 2005 (UTC)
You're right, Smjg. I forgot about the front piece. FWIW, I've always heard the singular (this was in Texas and Arkansas, in case region makes a difference). Ckamaeleon 07:58, 22 October 2005 (UTC)
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- So it looks like User:67.70.129.105 changed the article to add the phrase "It has also been called a skort (a portmanteau for skirt and shorts)."
I argue that this statement should be removed:
- First, it's a "soft" statement. Encyclopedias are no place for hearsay. As it stands, the sentence implies that anyone-- from the world's foremost authority on fashion history to your neighbor's friend's shut-in grandmother-- could make this claim. If someone says that skorts and culottes are the same thing, let's see a citation to back it up.
- Second, as User:Smjg points out, there seem to be differences between the two. Let's find someone to clear this up! Ckamaeleon 09:02, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
As the original writer of this article I agree completely that a skort and a culotte are different garments. The skort is like shorts, with an extension flap that goes across the front, and look like shorts from the back. Culottes do not have this flap across the front, and don't look like shorts from the back. signed, Sycamore.
- Thanks for the recent clarifications. However skorts redirects to shorts and skort redirects to here. Should skort/s get its own article? Samw 19:20, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
At least for the time being, I don't think we've enough material to justify a dedicated article for skorts. My vote is to change the "skort" redirect to match the one for "skorts." It doesn't make sense for the plural to redirect to a different article anyway (you'd think someone would write a bot to check this kind of thing...) I may be wrong, but I think the skort redirect DID go to shorts before, but someone with differing opinions changed it. We could try to change it back. Hopefully, there won't be a revert war. *shudder* Ckamaeleon ((T)) 00:43, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
- I was bold and did the redirect change. Samw 00:48, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
Huzzah! :o) Ckamaeleon ((T)) 11:14, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Sans-culottes
Given that sans-culottes links here, this article should discuss the earlier meaning of the term and have at least one picture of the male garment that had the name 200+ years ago. - Jmabel | Talk 18:50, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
Probably should also mention that in France today the word means panties (or, in the UK sense knickers). - Jmabel | Talk 18:55, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
Since Wikipedia is a general encyclopedia, and NOT a just a "current women's fashion encyclopedia," therefore historic terms such as "culottes" should feature the original definition as the primary definition, and then, include any later, temporary, usages of the term as "second" and "third" definitions.
The term "culottes" arose in late-medieval France to describe the knee-breeches of the upper class. There should be ample numbers of drawings and depictions of eighteenth-century gentlemen to show what they looked like, and these should be featured in the first definition of the word. The word is still in use as it is found in any number of books and magazine articles that talk about the dress of that period, most notably in reference to the French Revolution when the lower classes were referred to as "the sans-culottes." For this reason, the original definition of the word should be featured first.
Later usages of the word that have arisen in the late twentieth century should be featured as second and third definitions of the word.PGNormand 16:59, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] picture?
Can we get a picture for first time viewers of this term? You know they say a 1000 words.--71.105.26.163 (talk) 06:39, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
