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[edit] God
There is a God worship for this game.
[edit] Kemari & Sepak Takraw
Kemari is a variation of cuju in Japan. And in South East Asia the Sepak Takraw is originated from China. Even the rules and court layout is similar.
[edit] Parallel evolution, common origin, or contact?
The mesoamerican ballgame seems to have at least approximately the same general idea. It would be nice if we could find some information about what relationship if any the games might have. For example, since the modern Inuit play a ball game "Akraurak" or "Aqijut"[1], it is plausible that ancestors of Native Americans might have indulged in the sport even during their migration through Siberia and Alaska, but certainly any adventurer on a Kon-Tiki style raft could have carried the idea between continents, or what was invented once might have been invented twice. I suppose the best to hope for is that we can find some sourced speculation or enumeration of such possibilities, but I can still imagine some "smoking gun" might be out there (a player in football regalia crushed under a frozen mammoth, maybe? ;) ). 70.15.116.59 (talk) 15:52, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
- I really doubt the games have any connection. Ancient civilizations all over the world had their own form of football. These include: Harpastum, Kemari, Knattleikr, La Soule, and Sepak Takraw. I would say Cuju and Harpastum have more in common because both were originally taught to soldiers to prepare them for battle. But this does not necessarily mean they are related. --Ghostexorcist (talk) 14:11, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
[edit] FIFA quote
I have started this discussion in the hopes that an agreement can be reached. Basically, an editor (possibly operating under several anonymous I.P.'s) keeps changing the meaning of a cited quote. I am unsure of their reason, but putting it in the wrong context is the same as misinformation. --Ghostexorcist (talk) 16:35, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
- he quote is being used out of context. fifa have not claime that cujo is the basis of football, they merely repeated somebody elses claim. its insertion in this article implies this claim to be fact, which it is not, and is why i have reverted it. Dead-or-Red (talk) 17:19, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
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- You are still perverting the meaning of the quote by removing the info. I will change some of the wording of the sentence leading up to the quote, but the quote should stay. --Ghostexorcist (talk) 17:23, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
[edit] On the Chinese origins of the game
This FIFA source gives a more definitive impression:
"On the contrary, apart from the need to employ the legs and feet in tough tussles for the ball, often without any laws for protection, it was recognised right at the outset that the art of controlling the ball with the feet was not easy and, as such, required no small measure of skill. The very earliest form of the game for which there is scientific evidence was an exercise from a military manual dating back to the second and third centuries BC in China.
This Han Dynasty forebear of football was called Tsu' Chu and it consisted of kicking a leather ball filled with feathers and hair through an opening, measuring only 30-40cm in width, into a small net fixed onto long bamboo canes. According to one variation of this exercise, the player was not permitted to aim at his target unimpeded, but had to use his feet, chest, back and shoulders while trying to withstand the attacks of his opponents. Use of the hands was not permitted. "
This is no mention of the term cuju but is the "exercise" they refer to that game? Should we use this source and alter the wording the article?
Lotsofissues 14:43, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
- It is already mentioned that it was used as training to prepare soldiers for battle. --Ghostexorcist (talk) 17:27, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
