Talk:Cuisine of the Republic of Macedonia

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[edit] No Bulgarian influences

Unless you prove otherwise, with references. --Bonina 22:46, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Thank you to whoever filled this page in.

[edit] Why Slavic?

Are there really differences between the cuisine of "Slavic" and non-Slavic Macedonians? I do not think that we could differentiate between the cuisine used by inhabitants of the Republic and those of Macedonia (Greece) or of the Blagoevgrad Province of Bulgaria. Also, Macedoninas from Greek Macedonia with Greek ethnicity and/or descent would share the cuisine with their Slavic-speakig neighbours. 20th centure immigrants from Asia Minor may have their own traditions, but the cultural heritage of Macedonians is more or less the same in the entire Region of Macedonia]]. This is, of course, my own original research, but so is the idea the there is a Slavic Macedonian ciusine (no hits in Google)[1][2]. Moreover, it appears to me that the inclusion of the term "Slavic" in this context may be considered condescending by Macedonians.  Andreas  (T) 15:09, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Proposed page move to Macedonian cuisine (Republic of Macedonia)

I tentatively support the recent (now reverted) move to Macedonian cuisine (Republic of Macedonia), or even better, cuisine in the Republic of Macedonia. Reason: There are slavs in Macedonia (Greece), too, and as stated above, there is no indication that the cuisine of slavic-speaking and Greek-speaking macedonians are different in Greek Macedonia. The sources (that are missing in the article and in the sister article Macedonian cuisine (Greek)) would more likely to refer to the region/country where a particular dish is prepared than to the ethnicity/language of the cooks. Until the contrary has been documented, it is safer to assume a divide by country than an ethnic divide. In any case, I would suggest that some cookbooks are cited before discussing the difference between the two variants of Macedonian cuisine and their geographical or ethnical distribution. Andreas  (T) 15:04, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

I agree. Macedonian cuisine has nothing to do with the ethnicity. We did not really come up with any of our dishes. Most of them are Middle Eastern, the rest are present all over the Balkans and Europe. I tried to find Macedonian cookbooks, but I couldn't. I personally think such articles should be kept aside from politics. I doubt that the ones who proposed the "Macedonian cuisine (Slavic)" name have any culinary savoir faire, especially not Macedonian. --Emeraldher 15:18, 6 April 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Why is this page not moved yet?

Obviously a few people want it moved to Macedonian cuisine (Republic of Macedonia). --Emeraldher 12:00, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Why don't you move it to Cuisine of the Republic of Macedonia instead? It sounds a lot better this way, doesn't it? --Laveol T 12:43, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
Yes, Ive done it a few times already and some characters with dictatorish tendencies move it back... let's see what happens. --Emeraldher 12:49, 7 June 2007 (UTC)


[edit] the Slavic again

"Also referred to as Slav Macedonian Cuisine?" - I've never heard anyone calling it that. So, unless you have references for this, the sentence should be deleted. Let's not exaggerate here.. --Emeraldher 13:01, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Don't get too carried away - I thought this was some sort of a consensus decision - now you've got the name of the article as you want it - it's worth mentioning the other point of view. --Laveol T 13:05, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
No, it's not a consensus decision. "Don't get too carried away?" what a chutzpa! --Emeraldher 13:12, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
Yes, you are getting carried away, Bonina, as you're ignoring the opposite POV --Laveol T 13:18, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
Which is what? Besides, I haven't deleted anything yet, have I? --Emeraldher 13:21, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Is it better now? it totally respects your POV, even though I fail to understand why you even have one on the matter...--Emeraldher 13:25, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

It's not my POV, but NPOV instead - both versions are presented. And why do you say Bulgaria - it was the first to recognize your country - with it's constitutional name besides --Laveol T 20:34, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
Yes, its your or Greek POV. Only Greeks and Bulgarians might refer to is as Slav Macedonian. Bulgaria doesn't recognize us, or our language. Thus, the Slav Macedonian thing can only stand as also referred to ....in Bulgaria and I can add Greece. Anyways it will have to go when this article gets sourced.