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1 List
2 Mistake
3 Question
4 Strange sentence in lead
5 Foregin foothold of swedish food culture
6 Cardamom bread

[edit] List

moving lists here

Smörgåsbord -- Smorgasbord
Köttbullar -- Swedish meatballs
Julskinka -- Christmas ham
Inlagd sill -- Pickled herring
Surströmming -- Fermented Baltic herring
Gravad lax -- Salmon, salted, and cured.
Kåldolmar -- Cabbage rolls
Pannkakor -- Pancakes (thin, like crepes)
Ärtsoppa -- Pea soup
Kroppkakor -- Cooked potato-dumplings, filled with pork
Fläsk och bruna bönor -- Pork rinds and brown beans
Kräftor -- Crayfish
Julbord -- Christmas smorgasbord
Blodpudding -- Black pudding
Pölsa -- Hash
Palt -- Blood bread
Pyttipanna -- Hacked and fried meat, onions, and pre-boiled potatoes.
Falukorv -- Sausage originating from Falun. The lifts and pumps at the Kopparberg copper mine in Falun were, before the introduction of steam engines, powered by oxen. When these oxen died from strain or old age, the skin was turned into leather ropes used in the mine, and the meat was turned into sausage - Falukorv.
Smörgåstårta -- Sandwich cake
Janssons frestelse -- Grated potatoes, onion, anchovy and cream
Lutfisk -- stockfish

Sorry, why moving all this list from the article to the discussion? I was looking for pyttipanna, and could not find it in the article!!!

IMHO the list above should stay IN the article... --Adriano 17:13, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

The point of moving the list was to restructure it and integrate it into the article. The dishes would need some structure and explantory text, for instance Lutfisk is only eaten at christmas, while other dishes mentioned are only eated in certain regions: Surströmming (northern Sweden) , Pölsa ( I think this is northern Sweden too) , Palt (northern Sweden), etc. So the list should really be transformed into text, but I wasn't able to find any good references at the time. / Fred-Chess 23:20, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Mistake

The text reads: "The importance of fish has governed population and trade patterns far back in history: due to the vast supply of fish, in particular herring, people settled on the east coast around present-day Stockholm, and on the west coast around present-day Gothenburg. These remain Sweden's most populated areas to this day."

This is not true, as Gothenburg is one of the youngest major cities in sweden.

Another one - at least misleading: this notion there are four meals per day. I strongly disagree. Moreover the term 'fika' is a part of the 'fikon' language - it is merely slang. It's the result of applying 'fikon' to 'kaffe', the word for coffee. 'Kaffe' in the fikon language becomes 'fikastukon' or 'fika' for short. It is incorrect to regard this - or the fourth meal - as an official integral part of Swedish life. And for that matter, Swedes 'fika' both in the mornings and the afternoons. (They're the largest per capita consumers of coffee in the world.)

And this: 'a hot meal is served at lunch as part of Sweden's welfare state'. Who wrote this nonsense?

And hjortronsylt is served at the Nobel Prize dinner? Since when? Seriously: this author is weaving a fairy tale and I would be very surprised to find said individual had even visited the country.

Kantareller are friend with onions and put on a sandwich? Where??!??

I take offence at the allusion meatballs are the most famous export. Famous to who?

'the anchovy here is not the genuine anchovy'? Who is this jerk?

- I'd like to see stats on Finns drinking more coffee. Having lived in both countries extensively (years and years and years) I know this too to be incorrect.

- Tetra Pak is not a manufacturer of only milk cartons. PUH-leeze!

- I believe Champis has been discontinued. (It is/was a commercial beverage.)

- Swedes don't drink Absolut - I know now this person is an idiot. Swedes drink EXPLORER as it is known locally, much the way Koskenkorva becomes Finlandia in the international marketplace.

- The timing for semlor is all off.

In conclusion, it is obvious the author of this piece is either senile, psychotic, or both.

PS. Digging deeper, I see you actually employed (allowed) an EAST GERMAN and an ITALIAN to write this piece? Are you out of your minds too?

This piece should be removed and another by a qualified author (as in someone born and bred in Sweden and with family of at least several generations in Sweden) put in its place.

This is totally revolting. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.92.230.245 (talk • contribs)

Please remain civil, this article (as well as most of Wikipedia) is maintained by vollenters, none of over 30 contributers of the article are employed by Wikipedia. Everyone is allowed to edit this article, unless they have been blocked for vandalization or uncivil behavor. If you can back up the statements above with refernences, please do so. And please try to do so without insulting the other editors and leaving racist remarks. --E ivind ^t ^@^c 01:18, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

To the unsigned commentator

Please do not use nationality to judge someone's knowledge of a certain subject. I know many Swedes who can cook Italian dishes better than myself... Do not underestimate my (and anybody else's) culture...

I confirm that my income from contributing to wikipedia is equal to NIL, zero, nothing. Wikipedia is compiled on a volunteer basis. So, if you want to, you too can contribute in a civil manner.

Regards --Adriano 20:03, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

After laughing a little at the insipid remarks of 193.92.230.245, I looked up some of his complaints with a quick check on the internet and the articles seemes accurate enough, e.g. hjortron was a part of the dessert at the 2004 Nobel Prize Dinner; Finns drink most coffee in the world; and some of his other comments make little sense -- you can buy Absolut Vodka at the Systembolaget, etc. / Fred-Chess 23:08, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

I did however remove fika (coffee break) as a meal. This must have been someone's joke. / Fred-Chess 23:24, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Yes, there is nothing "revolting" about this article. I am going to work on it and make some minor edits as I'm Swedish and love food. I'm also going to add an article for Toast Skagen, as it is a notable Swedish dish. Bufflo 17:39, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Fika can also include some kind of pastry like a cinnamon bun, the "fikabröd". Also the meaning of fika has changed since it's origin and may now also refer to tea. If it's a meal or not is more difficult to say. That depends on how you define "meal". An nobody in their right mind drinks Explorer vodka. // Liftarn

[edit] Question

I was told by my family that kringle (spelling may be wrong...pronounced kring-luh i believe) is a Swedish dessert. Can anyone confirm this? It's a dough-like pastry, shaped like a figure 8 that you can spread butter on. Eaten around Christmas.

Yes it is, or Nordic. The word kringla also refers to the pretzel shape in general. Bufflo 05:08, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Though probably Nordic in reality, it is most commonly associated with Denmark, especially in the United States. Note that Racine, Wisconsin, per Wikipedia article on Racine, "is particularly known for its Danish pastries, especially kringle". See also Kringle article for more. And "kringle" is the Danish spelling for the pretzel-shaped cake. --SFDan 05:26, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Altough we swedes sometimes eat "kringla/kringlor" I would not call it part of the typical swedish cousine. e2npau E2npau 12:10, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Strange sentence in lead

Could someone explain what this sentence means? I'd be glad to rewrite it once I understand the intended meaning.

"In Sweden many local, traditional meals are also eaten, in the north some with their roots in the Sami people,some not, including reindeer, and other game."

Thanks, Jakew 16:37, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Foregin foothold of swedish food culture

I think something should be mentioned about the swedish peoples fast adaptation to foregin food culture. For example pizza and kebab which have exploded in modern times. In fact a mayor part of all swedish resurants specialize in these meals, which have also resulted in special swedish variants of these dishes, like kebabpizza and kebab roll. [1] (83.248.1.238 18:27, 7 September 2007 (UTC))