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[edit] Merge White Engine into FFXIII

this article should be merged with the Final Fantasy XIII page, since its mostly backdrop information developers would mainly know about the game, and not likely something that will fall into widespread knowledge about the games of final fantasy xiii. unless maybe it became a revolutionary type of rendering system or something, that gains widespread industry adoption or something...maybe then would it deserve its own encyclopedia article.

or maybe it should be merged into the Fabulla Nova Crystalis article since all the console games for Final Fantasy XIII are probably going to use this engine.

I oppose, you can do that if this engine won`t stir up any more fuss within the next few years, which i highly doubt. BTW, i just stumbled upon this article, because final fantasy was a feature on wikipedia today. But cmon be logical. With such a userbase there will be much more separate info about this engine, and certainly not used for one installment. Emphasis lies in the word engine and seperate.Slicky 13:16, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

I agree, this article should definitely be moved into the Final Fantasy XIII page. I am a fan of Final Fantasy games and I am telling you now that the White Engine will not stir up anything, anywhere.

I ran accross the trailer, the "white engine" is old news, really doesn`t look impressive or novel in any way, rather like an overhauled PS2 engine with the rest doing the graphics processor. So rationally i would recommend to to merge it. The impressive specs are missing because there is nothing special or impressive about it so far. That means the article here isn`t warranted IMHOSlicky 16:25, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

I agree, the merger would not harm anything. I "White Engine" if anything would be labeled by Final Fantasy XIII by being "the first game to run on the engine" or what not. It could only help, not hurt. Even if the engine turns out to be number 1, Final Fantasy will still have a namesake in the engines history. --J. 02:50, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Oppose: The White Engine is intended to be used in many or all of Square's PS3 offerings. We don't keep the Unreal Engine in the Unreal article. Dread Lord CyberSkull ✎☠ 11:41, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Agree, Merge into Final Fantasy XIII. The Unreal Engine has its own article because it has been licensed to so many developers, so its general knowledge now. Unless White Engine does become sub licensed to other developers houses to use, and gained widespread adoption, i guess then it would deserve its own article. but even now, there is little known about it, and its not like everything on White Engine has been verified. Miffy900 09:06, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

also, from what i've read, it seems like 'White Engine' is more of a development environment than an actual game engine. the cgi part of it was called 'White Draw' if i remember correctly. Miffy900 08:30, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Oppose: This will be used in games other than final fantasy 13, merging will just require us to seperate it when another game using it comes out. Zazaban 22:35, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

While it's certainly possible that it will ultimately be used for other titles, at the moment it's essentially unique to Final Fantasy XIII. Rather than trying to predict the future, it makes more sense to merge it now, and to reseperate it when and if it becomes sensible to do so. – Sean Daugherty (talk) 01:52, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Merge: Sean Daugherty said it pretty well. Split it again when needed, if needed. Fx21 09:21, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

  • Merge it in — At the moment, it's solely related to Final Fantasy XIII, and Wikipedia's practice is detailing that which has been reported, not predicting the future. As Sean's mentioned, policy says "Wikipedia is not a crystal ball". Ryu Kaze 14:11, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Merge - No other games have been announced for the engine's use as of right now, and if they and it becomes of importance, the article can always be split back. ~ Hibana 14:35, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Comment I don't have an opinion either way, I'm just trying to add infoboxes to all game engines. I know this may be useless if a decision is made, but as long as a decision hasn't been made, I'm going to go ahead and add the infobox. If this article isn't merged, any help with adding onto the infobox would be appreciated (I just use the info already in the article). If it is merged, just scrap the infobox.--Clyde Miller 20:38, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Oppose: I can't believe this is even an issue, how will the public know about the engine without this? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Section (talk • contribs) 6 September 2006.

They'll read about it in the Final Fantasy XIII article. - Fx21 21:39, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Merge it

I didn't know about it until I found out from an external source, it should be added AND left as a section on its own. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 150.204.84.142 (talk • contribs) 7 September 2006.

  • Strong Merge - Currently nothing relevent outside of FFXIII. Can always be split again if/when another game is released using the engine. --JiFish(Talk/Contrib) 15:37, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

The article is now merged. - Fx21 14:28, 9 September 2006 (UTC)


The article should be split. Hiromichi Tanaka confirmed that White Engine will be used in Square-Enix's unnamed MMORPG. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.69.234.77 (talk) 07:41, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Oppose: Same reason as above, the Engine isn't just being used for FFXIII. Totally wrong to be redirected! Quote: “Development is proceeding smoothly now, with the framework now beginning to take shape. Last year we went through a development reorganization, with the development of our own cross-platform middleware – the white engine. This is the foundation for FFXIII and the new MMO. It’s safe to say that it won’t be much longer before I’m able to unveil even more secrets about what the future holds for Square Enix.” Three references: AGDC: How Square Enix Hunts The Hunters , Square Enix's White Engine is cross platform and Austin GDC: Live at the Hiromichi Tanaka keynoteGLdK 08:44, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Xbox 360

I added the Xbox 360 to the list of supported platforms. This was confirmed at GDC Austin by Hiromichi Tanaka. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.191.155.113 (talk) 05:30, 12 December 2007 (UTC)