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[edit] semiprotection

read the semiprotection page, you'll notice this doesn't qualify for it. If IPs vandalise it then get them banned. SenorKristobbal 19:58, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

The problem was that there the IP was changing all the time, or otherwise it was a large number of people. Banning IPs without warning is just not done - generally a single given IP has to make several edits that are obvious vandalism before getting blocked - and then generally only for a short time unless there is good evidence that this is a static IP and/or an IP with a long history of heavy vandalism. The wave of vandalism was hopefully temporary and the semi-protection could be removed soon.--Konstable 04:12, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Clean-up

Came across here to see whether Popovic had been koved and ended up doing a few edits. I've edited the sub-titles, to make them more standardised, less POV and less use of "up and down again"!

I also removed the famous fans section. They're not really suited for an encylopedia and also often based on rumour and hearsay. If the person supports the club and it can be cited in some way, put it on their bio page.

Other than that, I just removed a few stray phrases.

Cheers HornetMike 16:40, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Balance in the history section

The sections for the modern era could do with trimming and the club's earlier history could be expanded upon - the 3 years of Dowie's stint in charge is larger than the section for the club's first 75 years! Dancarney 11:46, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] A note on British English

British English should be used for articles on Britain related topics. Likewise, American English should be used on articles pertaining to American topics. For a clearer example, please visit this sub-section on the differences between their usage. --Siva1979Talk to me 18:36, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Speaking of language, the piece of trivia saying that Crystal Palace is the only club with no vowels in the first five letters of its name is incorrect. The "y" in Crystal is a vowel ("a,e,i,o,u and sometimes y").--Nufftin 20:18, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
In terms of the English use of vowels the trivia is correct, A,E,I,O and U are the only vowels in the Engish language.

Tarquin88 20:50, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cantona picture caption

I'm not sure how the caption is meant to be phrased. It seems to suggest he played for Crystal Palace. Any thoughts? (Drummer nath 23:08, 27 February 2007 (UTC))

[edit] Weasel Words?

Quoting:

"Many Palace and Leeds fans believed that Shaun Derry might have been the player who shared the information but Derry's agent played down these reports. Misery followed for Palace as they were beaten at home the following week by rivals Birmingham City, to the suspected anger of Palace Chief Simon Jordan."

"Many people are still in doubt as to whether Peter Taylor was the right man to take charge at Selhurst, as Palace finished February some way off the playoff place that was achieved a year earlier during Dowie's final season."

Personally, I think these paragraphs cast Taylor in an unfair light against him. The paragraphs keep citing "Many Palace fans/people" and there's a mention of the "suspected anger of Palace Chief Simon Jordan," but no citation for proof on those statements regarding the fans and Jordan. Not sure what to do about these: reword this paragraphs, or delete them altogether? I don't really think they're that important to the article and I would delete them, but I don't think I have enough seniority to make a decision on this type of situation. (ChicagoEagle8, 13:51 GMT, 14 March 2007)

I see your point, and unless anyone has any objections, or does it before me, over the next few days I will try and sit down and re-phrase, or plainly delete the paragraphs. Tarquin88 20:54, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re-arrangement and changes to the page.

I have made numerous changes to the page and am still in the process of making changes.

Some may notice that the some of the page headlines have changed, I have also moved some sections around so they have more of a flow to them.

The "Centenary XI" has been imposed onto a pitch, to look more aesthetically pleasing, in my opinion. The section current has a few lines of 'line breaks' in order to keep the notable players from covering some of the pitch.

The notable players have been listed alphabetically, and alphabetically by country. The players included will more than likley change, as there is a fair few players on there, some of who aren't that 'notable'

The managerial history has been added to a table, with each managers stats next to them, including the win percentage.

I have also changed the external links, removing the BBC Link for the moment and organising the links into official links and supporter links.

Any suggestions are obviously welcome.

Update: I have now made ammendments to the 'Rivals' section of the page.

Tarquin88 22:36, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for all the work you're putting into the page. ChicagoEagle8 5 April 2007

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Palace1970sbadge.jpg

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[edit] Dates & dashes

En dashes should be used in scorelines and only full dates and dates with a day and month should be wikilinked, including in the footnotes. See Wikipedia:Manual of Style (dashes) and Wikipedia:Manual of Style (dates and numbers). Epbr123 20:49, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] rivals

The `Rivals` page is in urgent need of deleting/clean up, as the only rival whos hould be mentioned, is the only rival of CPFC, which is Brighton.

All other accounts are not required, i.e West Ham, birmingham comments. Encyclopedia ?

Disagree about Brighton being the only rivals. The quip about hardly playing Millwall should go as Crystal Palce have been in the same division as Millwall 50% of the time since 1920! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.137.197.168 (talk) 18:07, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Actually the whole section might as well go. It rambles on endlessly about the Brighton stuff which has only been in effect since their unfortunate experiences during the temporary ground share, totally ignores Charlton, has forgotten about Wimbledon (RIP) and restricts comment on Millwall to one snide and inaccurate dig. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.129.82.73 (talk) 12:53, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Please note, Charlton were removed along with Wimbledon. As they are not rivals of Crystal Palace FC. There maybe some arguement for Charlton, but Wimbledon were never ever rivals and therefore not worthy of comment whatsoever. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.49.4.199 (talk) 14:58, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

With all due respect the rivalry with Charlton goes back decades with Palace fans consistantly referring to Charlton as "Clowntown". For their part whilst Charlton have historically been less concerned antagonistic to Palace than Millwall they developed a considerable resentment of the former club during the groundshare. Wimbledon are of course no longer rivals since they were hijacked to Milton Keynes but for some years they were more successful than Palace and although Palace fans scorned their hatred I can assure you that the Dons supporters ahd no time for you whatsoever. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.144.43.234 (talk) 22:13, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] chants

It would be good to add chants to the page i know many other club pages have them —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.221.128.95 (talk) 12:35, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Just because other pages have chants doesn't mean this one should. In fact, if anything, the chants should be removed from the other pages as they are often quite offensive and not very encyclopaedic. - PeeJay 16:02, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] History section

This section should be severely pruned. Most of the information would be better suited to a separate history article, or even individual season articles. - PeeJay 16:03, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Agreed. It's not necessary to have a report on every season. Perhaps a table of league positions or a link to a site which displays them. What's left could be put in a separate article, History of Crystal Palace F.C. or something like that. I've tagged the article so it can be discussed what steps to take. ●BillPP (talk|contribs) 14:50, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
I have moved the history section to its own page as suggested as I believe it improves the look of the article. "Old" history is in the seperate article. Current history (i.e this season) is still in the Original article as I believe itys relevant. Random Jack 11:51, 22 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Managerial statistics

If Steve Coppell took over in 1999 and left in 2000, how did he manage to manage 596 games? (Chorleypie 18:01, 1 November 2007 (UTC))

There's a note next to his name which explains why it says that many ●BillPP (talk|contribs) 18:18, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Cystal Palace FC SEASONS

Unlike the current page of Crystal Palace F.C and History of Crystal Palace, A dedicated page should be created simular to the Sheffield United F.C. seasons Page. As this brief synopsis of each season would be welcome.

Thoughts ?