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Definition

Am I just way off here, or didn't "krunk" originate as just another pronunciation of "chronic", ie weed or booze or whatever else it was supposed to be. You wouldn't describe someone as krunk, "that nigga's krunk!"; rather, "that nigga's krunked!" I'm pretty damn sure it's a noun, and I know this is about a music genre, but that doesn't cover the usages of the word. anon.

Why is there no mention of crunk's unique music qualities? True crunk music is has a completely different rhythm when compared to normal hip-hop. Hip-hop uses normal Rock backbeat drum patterns, while Crunk is on the 1 and 3. This is the fundemental difference between crunk and other forms of hip-hop. this style was completely invented by Dj pual and juicy J.

Maybe i'm way off, but wasn't crunk first used to describe the slurry high gotten from drinking an excess of cough syrup? The music does seem designed to accompany that sort of trip. ReverendG 00:42, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Crunk Energy Drink ? http://crunkenergydrink.com

What about Three 6 Mafia early 90's work? No Mention? I think it should be included. Tear da Club Up came out in 92. See Triple 6 Mafia Underground Vols 1 and 2. DJ Paul complains in the intro of his new CD about not getting recognition for being something like originators. I don't see anyhting about Drag Rap/Triggaman either. Dosn't it have alot to do with Tenn./Louisanna urban music overall?

Ugh. I don't mind some "crunk", but damn, it's become over-played these days. If it was something confined to the clubs, I'd be fine, but the fact that crunk is actually becoming a major sub-genre of hip-hop is really troubling. It's so repetitive, obnoxious, and mindlessly noisy after extended listening, but thanks to Lil Jon, it's quickly becoming the dominant sound not only in Southern hip-hop, but in the mainstream as well (New York rappers like Young Buck and even Nas' Bravehearts have worked with Lil Jon to cross over).

Young Buck isn't a New York rapper, though. He was born in Nashville, Tennessee, and raps in a Southern style on pretty much all his tracks. Pretty understandable that he'd want to do some stuff with Southern artists, as well as his G-Unit cohorts from New York.

Of course, I was also getting tired of the "bling-bling"-style rapping that No Limit and Cash Money made popular years ago, but couldn't the South have followed Outkast's lead in moving towards intelligent, conscious hip-hop? That's what I would have expected after the success of "Speakerboxx/The Love Below", but it seems I was wrong, and crunk has just become even more popular and over-played than ever before (at the time I write this, there are five singles produced by Lil Jon in the Billboard's Top 20).

People want "getting high/buzzed/whatever" rap because rap music has strong ties to parties. "Intelligent rap" is enjoyed by a minority —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 164.107.234.220 (talk) 08:34, 6 December 2006 (UTC).

Bottom line, this is why I've lost faith in the mainstream's ability to seek out good music.

Uh, let's see. You need smart people to make smart music. Smart people are a minority. Therefore, a minority of music is going to be smart. What, you expect one good group who hit mainstream to spawn dozens of good groups to hit mainstream? The good stuff is underground, and if it gets support, there's a chance it'll emerge. Look harder, in harder-to-find places. Please.

It would be nice to see more Outkast style songs from southern hip-hop. The thing that bothers me is that crunk ALL SOUNDS THE SAME. Get Low is pretty much exactly the same as Salt Shaker, the only difference is one is Ying Yang feat. Lil Jon and the other is Vice Verse. But of course, Salt Shaker is better, if only because it's stupider. And its video has NOTHING to do with the actual song! =O

Wow. They have crunk ALL wrong in this definition

The word crunk has been around for a loOOOoonng time. As a matter of fact, after I have done some significant research, I found the earliest time I ever found the word "crunk" was in a Stephen King book 1997's The Wizard and The Glass. "... but no more. I knew it was going to be that way as soon as they started talking that stupid crunk of theirs." There was no proper word for the dialect of the Mejis vaqueros, but "crunk" served well enough ..." So the word would seem to serve as a form of dialect. And whomever uses it first should get credit right? The Underground Kingz used it a long time before ANYONE else did.

Crunk comes from the mixture of two words. Crazy and Funk. It is not a mixture of drunk and crack. Or Chronic and Drunk...NONE of those is right.

here is the official definition from crunk.org

What is crunk? Well crunk is crunk. What may be crunk to you may not be crunk to another. There are other words to define things that are crunk. Words such as 'fly' 'def', or 'tha bomb'. But they are merely shadows of what crunk is. It is a hip-hop term which is used in the positive. If something is good, then it is 'crunk'. It can be used as a predicate adjective: "That club is crunk." The word has been around for quite some time now. I have read the word used (while not in the proper manner) in books as far back as 1992 (Stephen King's Dark Tower series). I also have had people tell me that crunk was used on some late night TV shows a long time ago. The Underground Kingz used this word in a song a LONG time ago- in 1995. There is apparently a character on some cartoon (Dexter's Lab) called Crunk, and there is a candy bar in Asia called Crunk. So the words been here for a while.

I have to call you to task for suggesting that there's an "official definition" of... well, anything. There is no authority for the English language, as there are for Dutch or French. Certainly the fact that someone was first in line to register "crunk.org" doesn't make them an authority. So it's just one person's opinion. --tgeller 03:44, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

I have remove an edit claiming that, "crunk actually means to cry like a crane." Tim Ivorson 11:11, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

The late night TV show was Late Night with Conan O'brien. I saw the show many years ago where they invented a curse word that sounded bad but could get past the censors. Rapper Ice-T was on the show, and he said he liked that word. It would be worthwhile to pin down the exact air date of that show, reportedly in 1995, as far as the history of the word in popular usage is concerned.

Hmm

Crunk is to music what Harry Potter is to literature. Tolerable, nothing great, WAY overhyped, and generally deserving of a quick euthanising. Am I the only person who remembers when rap used to actually involve intelligence and messages and a fucking point (or at least one that goes being "getting low" and "blinging" and "being clinically retarded")

Rap has become party music from its roots in expression of anger or frustration. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 164.107.234.220 (talk) 08:36, 6 December 2006 (UTC).

Need some balance

This page seems to endorse crunk as a club attraction. This form of hip-hop can and does cause violence between the immature and trouble making club goers. Especially the young wanna-be thugs Gorgeousp 23:38, 26 October 2005 (UTC)

small change

under the songs with crunk in the name, "forest crunk" is attributed to Aesop Rock, but its actually by Blockhead, Its just on Ace Rock's 'Daylight EP'Mike McGregor (Can) 09:56, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

WHAT?!? YES!!! OKAY!!!

A more accurate history of Crunk

In the mid-1990's I was playing football at Tennessee State University, a historically black university (HBCU)- Alma Mater of such public figures as Oprah Winfrey and Wilma Rudolph. We often had discussions about pop urban culture on topics such as: who was better WuTang/NoLimit or the legitimacy of Tupac's death, and I vividly remember lengthy debates about the word "crunk" and another derivitive "crump". Keep this in mind, most of my teamates (at least 90% of them) were from inner-city Memphis, Nashville, South Florida (mainly Miami), and Atlanta. The general consensus from our impromptu debates while standing around during practice was that "crunk" was the proper term with a postive conotation meaning "crazy drunk". "Crump" came from local ebonics as a local way of saying "crunk". What I gathered was that "crunk" was more Memphis than Atlanta, but the hip-hop community from Atlanta in the late 90's and early 2K gave it mainstream exposure. Our discussions pre-dates pretty much all of the information in these "crunk" related Wikipedia articles. Also, the guys on my team were from/grew up in the environments that are glamorized in the lyrics of these hip-hop songs using expressions such as "crunk".

Isn't crump more like Rize (2005 film), high energy dance (maybe like Hyphy) and "crunk" more about getting high/buzzed/intoxicated? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 164.107.234.220 (talk) 08:42, 6 December 2006 (UTC).

Editing

This article needs to be edited for a more encyclopedic and NPOV tone. Also, it contradicts itself, saying that the genre is on the wane and popular mostly in its hometown now, while later saying that it is ubiquitous and will only get more popular. 24.215.155.9 01:58, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

What's with this: http://www.churchsigngenerator.com/images/churchsigns/crunk4jesus.jpg http://www.churchsigngenerator.com/images/churchsigns/crunk.jpg

"When you walk into an Atlanta hip hop club and you see people jumping around like they lost their minds don't be alarmed, they are just getting crunk." The tone should be changed.

To be honest ive liked crunk not a long time i only heard of it a year ago max. but the adrenaline rush it brings and the great enthusiasm it makes just doesnt compare to anyother music. Crunk is deffeniatly the best form of music!

I think this article is taking Crunk too seriously.

Crunk means crunk (like cranked)...wound up. Getting energized. This article goes way to deep into the word...it's kind of stupid.

--Vehgah 04:30, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Etymology note

Under the second alternate origin section, Donkey Kong Country 2 was released after the first two seasons of Conan, as was Dexter's Labratory. I am going to delete this section.

Another much better translation for the german (and probably also yiddish) "krank" is not "ill" but also *sick* or "twisted", in some context even "pervert". So that word would very well fit into the ethymology. As it appeared only in the 1990s, I assume, that there were not too many hiphoppers chatting with yiddish shopkeepers, but there were many US soldiers returneing from american bases in germany. So the german origin is a quite realistic option.

cheers, Alpha

T.I. Crunk?

I'm sorry but I really don't consider T.I. crunk. His music is not crunk music. He did songs with artists that are obviously crunk artists but he himself I wouldn't consider him crunk. Hasafienda 6:45, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Agreed, T.I. is not crunk music, and neither are D4L or Dem Franchize Boys. They are southern music, but by no means crunk. Snap music would be a much better way to classify them (if that's what we're doing). But those artists should be removed from the list. --207.91.36.238 18:37, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Like Vehgah said, this word, beyond a shadow of a doubt, comes from an incorrect past tense of "cranked". I have changed the Wikitionary to reflect this, and will change it here later.

First use of Crunk

The article incorrectly credits Conan O Brian as being the first one to use the term crunk. First, there's no citation to indicate when he even did this. Second, Outkast had a major single and popular video with "Player's Ball", in which they use the word "crunk". The album Southernplayalisticadillacmuzik was realased in April of '94, with the single getting radio spins prior to the release. It shouldn't be a surprising coincidence, then, that Outkast happens to be from Atlanta, and that's where the word picked up in popularity. So while Conan probably fabricated a word for his show after this album was released, it seems no more than a coincidence. Outkast: Atlanta Rap Group, Conan: TV Show Host. To credit Conan (when his show had its least number of viewers before becoming popular) with inspiring Atlanta rappers to use the word "Crunk" as opposed to Atlanta rappers Outkast doing so, is reaching.

There should probably still be a mention of "krunk," possibly under the "Misconception of origin" section. It does state in the (now deleted) section that O'Brien used this term in the first two seasons of his show, and since his show debuted in 1993 (which admittedly is not given here; not that a quick search couldn't provide that information), that clearly indicates that the term came before Outkast's original use of it in its current spelling/meaning. Whether the two are related or not is not clear, nor specified, but it should at least be given a mention. Note that the article does mention the unrelated Yiddish term, and the sound of a crane. Wavy G 21:00, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

I wouldn't be opposed to seeing it under the Misconception of Origin section, but I'd like to see some citations. Anyone can go on Amazon to confirm the Outkast album release date, and check the lyrics online. As far as Conan, someone should provide details and possibly cite a source of when the word was used. There was a reference in the article about Randy Jackson's 1994 appearance on the show "9 years after" Conan used the term (placing it at '95). I think if the reference to the show would stay in the misconception of origin section, it shouldn't mention specific dates without a source being cited.

I restored the Randy Jackson anecdote. There was no conflict with the dates; the article just didn't clarify (I thought it did, but I was mistaken) that the joke ran for the first two seasons of his show. That means, it began in 93 and was used until 95, explaning the "9 years later" reference in the Randy Jackson statement. I added that note, and tweaked the section a bit so it make more sense in that sense.

That aside, I still don't see why it's out of the question that a square white mainstream talkshow host from North-Eastern US could have influenced a word used by Southern rap artists today. It was an nationally broadcast show. Besides, the show was an underground hit in its first few years on the air, and I recall people going around saying "krunk" as an inside joke to others who "got the joke." It certainly wasn't exclusively broadcast in the Northern US to white suburban families with a minivan in the driveway. It even states in the article that rappers such as Ice T appeared on the show using the word (I recall Snoop Dogg doing it too, but I can't provide evidence of that). Oukast first used the word in their song in 94, during the height of its use on Late Night. If anyone could disprove any relationship between the use in the Oukast song and Conan's word, I could accept that, but it seems like a hard pill to swallow that there's no possible connection between the two, as the article stands now. Wavy G 17:23, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Oh, and one other thing I'd like to point out: Even if the dates had worked out in favour of your argument, the whole joke on Conan was that "krunk" was supposedly a completely made-up word that he intended to be a new curse word. That being said, I strongly doubt he would have stolen a neologism from an Outkast song lyric for such purposes. MFFT. Wavy G 00:20, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

This argument comes down to determining the exact time that the first use on Conan was. I watched the episode. Ice-T was the guest and Ice-T would be the first show guest to use it, being that Conan - one way or another - "created" the word and he and Ice used it in many meaningful ways. Hip hop's history is of reusing memes and "style" from other places or times, so hip hop taking on the use of the word k/crunk shouold surprise no one. I always thought it WAS a direct response to it being used on Conan. If the Conan show did in fact happen before the Outkast release was produced, I'd say that's pretty good evidence of a first use. IMDB page interestingly doesn't even note his appearances on the show before 1997, which is most certainly incorrect, as even just using my time-line, I saw him on the show while I was still in college, and I graduated in May 2005 - and I was an immediate convert to the Conan O'Brien show while many hoped networks.--Tsnake 16:08, 17 December 2006 (UTC)

Crunk was used by Dr. Seuss' 1972 bok Marvin K. Mooney Will You Please Go Now!. That is way before any of these uses. Ultimate77 16 January, 2007

Here's a Conan Krunk reference from Feb 16 1994. Evan1975 05:31, 7 August 2007 (UTC)

Unless I'm mistaken the article is about crunk music... Crunk is a specific type of hip hop music... says the opening line of the article - so first use of the word is in the context of music. Otherwise we could go on forever: In the article on the rock band Queen - we could define its name as first being used to describe a type of female monarch... if you follow my drift. Escaper7 23:13, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

There's nothing wrong with a little bit of trivia, after all, the article is titled "Crunk" and not "Crunk Music". The word crunk, while obviously having a stricter musical definition, is largely pop-culture slang among youth these days, more people use the word in the context of the definition given by the second paragraph than in the musical genre sense. The word Queen, on the other hand, has been around for a long time, and people looking up the band Queen quite frankly already know what a queen is. People looking up "crunk" might not know what it means. This article will tell them what it means, in the stricter musical sense, and including the first (non-musical) known use of the word would be very interesting. There's no harm in a bit of trivia. Ultimate77 17 January, 2007

ciara crunk!?

Ciara is definatly not crunk she is a pop/rap artist(see Ciara) and i feel she should be deleted from the list of notable crunk artists.

A quick search on google for 'ciara crunk' returns several articles/interviews claiming that Ciara is the "First Lady of Crunk & B"

I'm pretty sure it's safe to say she is at least a Crunk & B (derivative of R&B + Crunk) artist. In more than one instance, she is referred to as being the 2nd person to release a Crunk & B song (after Usher). Iluvitar 21:39, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Have you ever seen ciara dance? She is a crunk dancer and has done crunk music a many times,like said above she has been crowned time and again first lady of crunk. And by pop artist umean popular and mainsstream she definatly is but if a pop dancer then fawk no because pop is not how she dances. Know what your trying to contradict before typing.24.66.94.140 03:10, 27 August 2006 (UTC)hope.

This is all wrong

I'm not sure how all this started but crunk has nothing to do with music. Crunk is often sung about but it's not a genre of music. It is often associated with getting "crazy" and "drunk" at the same time but it is definitely is not limited to just that. It really just means "crazy", in a variety of different ways. For instance, one can say, "We getting crunk at that party tonight?" or, "Did you see that blow up, that was crunk as hell". You can substitue "crunk" for "cool" or "fun" as well. I think this definition needs a major overhaul.

Isn't that a bit like saying hip-hop is only about music? It's a culture embracing many things including music. Major record shops have crunk sections, where you go to buy crunk music so in my opinion the definition is correct. Escaper7 12:26, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

No it's not at all. Of course major record shops have crunk sections, they are trying to capitalize on the popularity of the word. The labeling of some music as crunk music is very new and the word has been around for some time.-Robert DeSio

...and this is an article about crunk music: Crunk music is a specific type of hip hop music... Escaper7 06:59, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

You forgot some

Drama! and you UGK are notable crunk artist. Also note that Drama's left-right was a popular(sort of a one hit wonder if you ask me). Also D4L and Dem Franchize boyz consider themselves s snap music, and their not crunk.

...wrong...

In the section that says notbale songs with crunk in their title Goodies from ciara is in their... that doesn't have crunk it it, I'm removing.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.176.238.190 (talk • contribs) of 29.08.06

Too Short started this back in the day

listen to Too Short circa 1995

Vanity edits

Watch for vanity edits being made this article about "artists", by editors with the same name on Wikipedia. Escaper7 13:09, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Artist List

This has gone out of control, could editors add or remove artists in alphabetical order (I've roughed it out) please don't add sub-categories it's a list of Crunk artists, and remove any that aren't. CHECK if a name is already listed before adding again, and if there isn't a sub article on the artist, don't add the name as the list is lengthy, and supposedly confined to "notable" Crunk artists. Thanks. Escaper7 09:57, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Chamillionaire Ciara DJ Paul DJ Screw Lil Keke Lil Wayne Magno Mike Jones Paul Wall

They are not CRUNK artist for sure. I will remove them from the list. Absolutely not CRUNK artist...absolutely! Muazzes

Well done to the various editors that have completly ruined the list that I spent 45 mins putting in alphabetical order, and columns. If you don't know how to follow the layout, please discuss here or get someone to do it. This is supposed to be an encyclopaedia not a fan site, and it looks a total mess. And if an artist appears in RED in the list: they are NOT notable in other words they don't have their own listing on Wikipedia so they should be removed from the "list of NOTABLE Crunk artists". Escaper7 13:52, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

the list has now been correctly alphabetized, but feel free to remove excess or borderline artists. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 164.107.234.220 (talk) 08:44, 6 December 2006 (UTC).

I've gone through the list again. The biggest problem was that most of them were to artists who are real and have Wikipedia articles but where the link itself was bad. I've connected everything up again. Man, this list gets bad fast. --mako ^{(talk•contribs)} 03:24, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, I've noticed that. Thanks. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Wavy G (talk • contribs) 04:52, 5 January 2007 (UTC).

Electric bass?

Is it just me, or is most crunk bass synthesized? Not electric bass? — Phantasy Phanatik | talk | contribs 01:38, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

POV

What the hell, whats this? "All artists of the crunk genre are challenged, druggie, hippy, man-slut, high-school droppouts that are lucky to have made a dollar." Guys, I'm white but I imagine that is very offensive. Even if it's true, I doubt that POV belongs in Wikipedia. Someone clean this article up jesus --AF1987 06:05, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

It's called vandalism and there's plenty of it on Wikipedia. If you see something like that, simply remove it. Regards Escaper7 06:21, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Kane?

I deleted the sentence in the beginning of this article stating crunk started in Brooklyn with Kane. Somebody straight didn't know what they were talking about right there... Chairman SharifChairman Sharif 16:36, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

How dare you guys leave out Miami bass and electro music

These are important elements in the development of crunk music.

Go ahead, add it in. -- BillWeiss | Talk 15:16, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

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