User talk:Crotalus horridus/Archive/Canadian election controversy

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[edit] TfD

Did you even consult or participate in discussions to generate the template? No. It's not even finalised yet and others have commented on it. What is the justification for you solely tagging it for deletion? It may actually force the issue regarding the possible im/propriety of posting results for the imminent federal election contrary to Canadian electoral law. I have reverted this. If you have an issue discuss there. E Pluribus Anthony | talk | 05:12, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

  • Canadian law has no force over Wikipedia. It has no assets there AFAIK, and the servers are located in Florida. US courts will not enforce foreign judgments that violate the First Amendment. Crotalus horridus (TALK • CONTRIBS) 05:14, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
    • This is your point-of-view. And it's as much to caution Canadian editors from possibly violating electoral law by using Wikipedia as a proxy to post results prematurely. Please cite your sources, and remember that Wikipedia isn't a mere venue for free speech. E Pluribus Anthony | talk | 05:21, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
      • Actually, I cited a specific case - two, in fact. More importantly, I cited two important Wikipedia guidelines - Wikipedia:No legal threats and Wikipedia:No disclaimer templates. As a disclaimer template that makes legal threats, this must go. Crotalus horridus (TALK • CONTRIBS) 05:24, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
        • You just did, thank you. First, how does that constitute a legal threat? It merely recapitalutes the relevant section of the Canada Elections Act. Second, the disclaimer template guideline is just that, not policy. And as for accusations of vandalism, it is you that have insinuated your viewpoint despite extensive discussions on the election page.
        • Feel free to nominate the template for deletion, but a proviso will end up on the election page in some format for the election. Thank you. E Pluribus Anthony | talk | 05:32, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
          • Any disclaimer will be removed as per Wikipedia:No disclaimer templates. Crotalus horridus (TALK • CONTRIBS) 07:26, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
            • Attempts to do so will be rectified aptly unless compelled otherwise. And if you find it necessary to willfully remove the current long-standing "future election" template from the election page – as you just attempted to do – while failing as yet to compel a consensus for your current nomination or this act, you are the one who is acting rather improperly. End communication. E Pluribus Anthony | talk | 18:05, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Canadian federal election, 2006

Thanke you for your clean-up at Canadian federal election, 2006. The poster in question had prematurely posted a draft template. Please note however, that you are incorrect in your assertation that either Wikipedia:No disclaimer templates and Wikipedia:No legal threats applies, as the template is no more a disclaimer than the standard template that has appeard on this, and many more, election pages, for a long time. Also no legal threats were made. If the revised template does get posted by consensus on Monday evening please do not remove it. Nfitz 18:00, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

Would you have preferred this? (from the same anon user who prematurely posted the results template) Physchim62 (talk) 18:04, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] WP:3RR block

You have been blocked from editing for violating Wikipedia policy against three-revert-rule. To contest this block, please reply here on your talk page by adding the text {{unblock}} along with the reason you believe the block is unjustified, or email the blocking administrator or any administrator from this list. Note to sysops: Unblocking yourself should almost never be done. If you disagree with the block, contact another administrator..

Regardless of who's format is correct for the template (Template:ElectionResultsCA), neither of you should be engaged in an edit/revert war simply to make a point. Regularly this would result in a 24 hr block, but given the unusual circumstances of the election, this will only be a 3 hr block so that you can make edits after the publication ban is lifted later in the evening. --Madchester 01:27, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

  • I engaged in exactly three reverts. User:E Pluribus Anthony then engaged in a fourth, which I reported at WP:AN/3RR. I fail to see where I violated the 3RR. Furthermore, WP:POINT doesn't apply here since no one was disrupting Wikipedia to make a point - it was a dispute over whether a template should include legal threats and disclaimers or not. Crotalus horridus (TALK • CONTRIBS) 01:31, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
I count 4 edits to your personal "non-disclaimer" format, [1], [2], [3], [4] in the past hour, with the last three reverts within a half-hour period. Excessive reverts, can also result in user blocks.
Per WP:3RR: In excessive cases, people can be blocked for edit warring or disruption even if they do not revert more than three times per day.
I hope that both you and User:E Pluribus Anthony will use the 3 hour block to cool down; edit wars are counter-productive, period. --Madchester 01:46, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

I just want you to know that I have (a few minutes ago now) applied a 24 hour block to E Pluribus Anthony, but then realised that the 3 hour block was already in place. On reflection, I decided to allow the 3 hour block to override. I'm not so sympathetic as Madchester, and view edit-warring by established editors pretty dimly. Since it boils down to being technically pointless to 24hr block you and then just allow the override, I'm not actually going to apply it — but do note that this is a purely technical decision. I've left a similar note on EPA's talk page and noted it also at WP:AN3.-Splashtalk 01:58, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Results of the Canadian federal election, 2006

What on earth are you doing? Your trying to delete the election results article? If you have a problem with it, edit it. Don't delete it! Why aren't you trying to delete Results of the Canadian federal election, 2004 and Results of the Canadian federal election, 2000. Please pull your delete request asap. Thank, Nfitz 01:32, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

If I'm not mistaken it's the template: Template:ElectionResultsCA at WP:TFD. Rx StrangeLove 01:37, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
Well, he's trying to do that, but earlier this evening, he actually put and AFD out on Results of the Canadian federal election, 2006 see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Results of the Canadian federal election,_2006 Nfitz 01:57, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
This has been withdrawn. Crotalus horridus (TALK • CONTRIBS) 07:48, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, I think that works. I didn't like those legal warnings either, they were way too strong. There needs to be a fine-line between fair warning to Canadians of what they might not know, and sounding controlling and paternalistic ... and they did keep missing the mark. Oh well, election is over. Probably won't be another federal election here for at least 6 months. :-) Nfitz 07:47, 24 January 2006 (UTC)