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[edit] Welcome!

Hi, and welcome to the Military history WikiProject! As you may have guessed, we're a group of editors working to improve Wikipedia's coverage of topics related to military history.

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[edit] Thanks ...=

I've given you your first award on your user page. Thanks for your help, and keep it up! :) --ROGER DAVIES TALK 11:08, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Thank you...I plan on assessing and tagging more articles whenever I have some free time. Eventually, I hope to actually do some expanding/editing of articles, when I have time to visit a library.Cromdog 13:35, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
I know the feeling :))) --ROGER DAVIES TALK 15:25, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
I've noticed one problem while assessing and tagging that bothers me: terrorists and related articles. I've been using a loose system, but I'm not sure what the actual area on terrorist related articles is for Military History.Cromdog 21:16, 18 October 2007 (UTC)
Terrorism is milhist, forming part of the task force of the country at which it is aimed. --ROGER DAVIES TALK 06:24, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

(outdent) As you're the first to hit a grand, I've updated your awards. Well done ... and keep up the good work! --ROGER DAVIES TALK 06:36, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

I plan on it...Cromdog 22:12, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Operation Brevity

Hi Cromdog,

glad to see you reviewed the article, since you have gave it a start rating there is obviously room to improve.

Can you point me in the direction of how we can improve this article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by EnigmaMcmxc (talk • contribs) 14:55, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

I listed the big one on the talk page...also, click show on the WPMilHist banner and you'll see my B-class assessment. Improve those 5 points, and if you want, you can ask me to review the article again.Cromdog 22:19, 2 November 2007 (UTC)


Thanks for your help dude --EnigmaMcmxc 10:34, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Page blanking

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[edit] Physics

Another physics student who should be studying and not MILHISTing....Blnguyen (bananabucket) 03:09, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

You got that right! Of course, I don't have any physics courses this semester, so I can pretend I don't have any important work. That's what I tell the Physcis and Astro department chair anyway.Cromdog 03:43, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Re Battle of the Standard GA review

Thanks for the note. An extension is no problem at all - just let me know when you want me to reassess. With all the attention you and others have given the article, there really wasn't much left to do; I'll be happy to pass it once those few remaining points are dealt with. Enjoy the break ;) EyeSereneTALK 10:47, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Hi Cromdog - just a quick reminder that this article has been on hold for three weeks now, which is stretching the extension concept a little ;) Are you likely to be able to finish it up soon? All the best, EyeSereneTALK 17:51, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Vasa (ship) now on FAC

Hi! As you were the GA reviewer of Vasa (ship), I'd like to notify you that it is now on FAC. Your insights and comments would be much appreciated there. Thanks, henrik•talk 13:45, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Happy New Year

Firstly, let me wish you a very happy New Year and thank you for all your help in the Milhist Tag & Assess 2007 drive. I enclose your awards (including a re-issue of ones you've already had in the new, neater, standard format.


Military history service award
For tagging and assessing 250 articles in Tag & Assess 2007, by order of the coordinators I hereby present you with this Military history WikiProject Service Award. --ROGER DAVIES talk 09:49, 2 January 2008 (UTC)



Military history service award
For tagging and assessing 500 articles in Tag & Assess 2007, by order of the coordinators I hereby present you with this Military history WikiProject Service Award. --ROGER DAVIES talk 09:49, 2 January 2008 (UTC)



Military history service award
For tagging and assessing 1000 articles in Tag & Assess 2007, by order of the coordinators I hereby present you with this Military history WikiProject Service Award. --ROGER DAVIES talk 09:49, 2 January 2008 (UTC)



The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
For your fine work on 2000 articles in Tag & Assess 2007, by order of the coordinators I hereby present you with this Tireless Contributor's barnstar. --ROGER DAVIES talk 09:49, 2 January 2008 (UTC)


Secondly, although the Tag & Assess 2007 drive is now officially closed, you are very welcome to continue tagging and assessing until 31 January 2008. Any articles you tag and assess during this time will be credited fully to your tagging tally for further award purposes.

Thirdly, it would be good to have your feedback/comments on the drive at the Tag & Assess workshop

Thanks again for your help, --ROGER DAVIES talk 09:49, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] A shiny thank you

Redvers awards this Barnstar to Cromdog as thanks for putting in hard work reviewing WP:MIL articles [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] and so forth.
Redvers awards this Barnstar to Cromdog as thanks for putting in hard work reviewing WP:MIL articles [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] and so forth.

Your hard work hasn't gone unnoticed. Thank you! ➔ REDVEЯS with my innocent hand on my heart 22:33, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Anti sub net rating

Hi. You rated the article as start class, I don't think that there is anything more that can be added to that article about a net that went across Sydney harbour. Cheers_Ad@m.J.W.C. (talk) 00:39, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

I wouldn't actually mind a B rating. Just about 90 percent of the info came from the plaque pictured and the rest came from a now deleted webpage but that info could easily be found elsewhere. Anyway. Cheers_Ad@m.J.W.C. (talk) 00:48, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
  • I was actually told that the pic of the plaque negates the need for a reference. Cheers_Ad@m.J.W.C. (talk) 00:50, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
There probably is a book out there but I wouldn't know where to look, with the websites and photos as refs, the information can instantly be seen and there is no need to go and look up a book, if I looked further I could probably find something. There might even be a reference in the Attack on Sydney Harbour article that might cover this article as well.

The last time I used a book to write an entire article, some other editor kept tagging the article as unreferenced because they couldn't access the information instantly via a website. Cheers_Ad@m.J.W.C. (talk) 01:00, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] SIGINT

I'd appreciate your suggestions about improving the article, since you described some weaknesses in the rating.

From my perspective, there is an introduction that speaks of SIGINT as an intelligence collection discipline, and identifies the major sub-disciplines such as COMINT and ELINT.

There are images of a Wullenweber array, electronic order of battle, and a spectrum analyzer image (which may be broken, and, if so, I'll create a line drawing that specifically shows some of the things one looks for with a SIGINT spectrum analyzer. The incidental radiation tends to drift more into radiofrequency MASINT than SIGINT, which I think I have adequately linked.

Thanks! Howard Howard C. Berkowitz (talk) 18:44, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Unexplained Blankings

Could you explain why you are blanking sections of articles with no edit summary? Sorry, but this can be misconstrued as vandalism. Cheers! Pedro :  Chat  22:18, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Sorry...I assume you are referring to the Lists of ship commissionings? I am simply removing the entries that do not belong on the lists...it was cumbersome to rewrite the same note each time, I apologize. Ship commissionings are for military vessels, not ferrys and cruise ships.Cromdog (talk) 22:21, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
No probs, but please use an edit summary, as otherwise it looks like blind deletion / vandalism. Thanks for your help, and appologies for interupting your good work! Pedro :  Chat 
My bad...I apoligize again and have resumed adding summaries.Cromdog (talk) 22:25, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
I wouldn't mind knowing how those lists aren't for commercial vessels? I don't recall reading anywhere that those lists are meant exclusively for military vessels. While I do admit that "commission" is a military term, myself and many other users have been adding commercial ships to those lists, on the presumption they cover all ships - seeing all our work go to waste os a shame. And creating separate lists for commercial ships for essentially the same purpose (which would be indicated as such lists would be needed) seems highly redundant. -- Kjet (talk · contribs) 23:40, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Commissioned means assigned to active military duty. There is already a seperate list for ships launched. I fail to see how non-military ships would quailify for a commissioning, unless impressed into service during wartime. You say several of you disagree, though?Cromdog (talk) 23:42, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

The thing is that the term "launch" refers to the launch of a ship from the shipway or drydock, whereas people have been treating the "commissioned" field as meaning "entered service" - usually these two dates are several years apart. Plus when an already complete ship changes hands, you can't put it down under "launched" again. I'm not sure if several of "us" disagree, only that several people have been treating the lists differently. What should probably be done is taking this up at WP:SHIPS, where we could hopefully hammer out some kind of a concensus (possibly the creation of a new series of lists for commercial ships or renaming of the current lists to use less militaristic terminology - or doing nothing). In any case, since both the military and civilian ships fall under the mandate of WP:SHIPS, they (we) should definately be involved. -- Kjet (talk · contribs) 00:11, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
I agree that a consensus, or at least a discussion, is a good idea. WP:SHIPS and WP:MILHIST (my project) should probably both be informed. In order to make the discussion more available, as well as in place for future reference, I propose using here instead. Your thoughts?Cromdog (talk) 00:16, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
I don't have any preference on the place, provided we can actually get people involved. -- Kjet (talk · contribs) 00:26, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
Mil Hist is usually pretty good about that. I don't know about Ships, but I'll put out a notice at Mil Hist asking indivudals to comment upon it at the category talk page. Would you like to notify Ships, or should I?Cromdog (talk) 00:29, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
I'm actually just on my way to bed, so if you could notify Ships it would be muchly appriciated. -- Kjet (talk · contribs) 00:39, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Done and done. Cromdog (talk) 00:49, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Excellent, thank you. -- Kjet (talk · contribs) 10:29, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Assessment of PIFFER Units

Hello! i want to know that isn't the article PIFFER Units a list? Because you assessed it as a stub. I am asking this because I am a novice here, so may not know much and only want to clear the point that can lists be assessed as Stub, Start ...... level articles?! Thanks! --SMS Talk 19:20, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! for making this confusion clear for me! --SMS Talk 19:39, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] James Graham (soldier)

Hi. I see you have assessed the above article for the military history taskforce. Thanks for that; I started it a couple of days ago and it's good to see it brought into the fold already, as it were. I'm not very familiar with the assessment process, so please forgive me if I ask a few basic questions. You've assessed it as needing attention in a number of areas, including coverage, which makes sense since the article only really covers the Hougoumont incident. However, I was surprised at the "attention to referencing and citation", since I tried to ensure all facts were cited, and made use of wide sources (3 books, 7 online sources). I am now unsure what "attention" I should be paying. Any pointers would be helpful. Ditto for the "supporting materials". Does that refer to pictures etc? I did come across a portrait of him, and there's the famous Robert Gibb painting, but they won't be free (I assume). I will add a picture of Hougoumont, though. Lastly, it's listed as "French", when he was a British soldier; is it then customary for all Napoleonic articles to be part of the French task force as well? Thanks for your help. Gwinva (talk) 01:50, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. A big help. Gwinva (talk) 00:37, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] New! BCAD drive from Milhist

Can I invite you to particpate in our new assessment drive? It's strictly for experienced wiki-gnomes and has a degree of friendly competition built-in. It involves re-evaluating around 3500 Milhist B-Class articles to ensure they match our new criteria. As ever, we're offering a range of awards as our way of expressing our thanks. The drive doesn't start until 18:00 (UTC) on March 10 but you can sign up in advance here. It would be great if you can spare the time, --ROGER DAVIES talk 05:33, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] 102nd Rescue Squadron

I don't know whether it's a copyvio or not; what happened was I moved it from the 106th Rescue Wing article as it seemed from reading outside websites that the NYANG associates that aero company's lineage with the squadron rather than the wing. You'd have to check the history of the 106th Rescue Wing page to see who inserted it and ask them about copyvio. Cheers Buckshot06 (talk) 22:41, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] News! Tag & Assess 2008 is coming ...

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[edit] Turkish Invasion of Cyprus

Dear Cromdog,

I'd appreciate your involvement in this. The intro I wrote, which I believe is an NPOV summary to the article, is being replaced with what I consider another Cyprus dispute related diatribe. In addition, 3meander and another Greek editor have taken to referring to me as a "vandal" for trying to revert. Please take a look if you can, --A.Garnet (talk) 12:03, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

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