User talk:Crohnie/Archive 1

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This user has been offered adoption by InvictaHOG (If you wish adoption by another user click here)

Hi everyone

Italic textHi everyone, I am new which I assume you can tell! I really need a mentor as I am disabled and have serious trouble absorbing information I read which is long. I thought that maybe this site can help me stimulate my brain and teach me how to use this kind of site.

I have been lurking ever since Wiki made it to the newsgroups which I am sorry to say hasn't had very nice things at time about this site. I am not looking for trouble, which is usually not in my personality. I have looked at the the help stuff but I am having trouble retaining the information or understanding. I think I would be good with help with someone with patience.

I do have an idea of what I would like to put on my page. IBD (Iritable bowel disease is a monster in my opinon and there is no cure for it but unfortunately I have other medical problems that there is no cure for either so I have to take a lot of medication to keep things controled. If there is a mentor with a lot of patience I would really appreciate anyone help.

Thank you for listening to my babble, I hope to hear from someone soon. But I would love to give this all a try. I hope I am welcomed to do this. If there isn't a mentor who can help a disabled person learn, I really do understand, so be honest and tell me so.

Thanks again, 03:04, 20 January 2007 (UTC)Crohnie 03:04, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Jump to: navigation, search Hi, sorry for this mess. I am trying to understand but this is all new to me. If someone could delete my errors I really would apreciate it. I thought having an account kept personal info private but it is my faulty because I forgot to sign in. I really do want a mentor though that has patience with me, sorry don't know how to request one but I think it's on the main page but it's late now for me so I need to get to bed. Would deleting all of this make it easier or not? Anyways, I look forward to hearing from someone (s). Thanks again.

--Crohnie 03:44, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

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Mentoring

Hello. I'm sorry, but my plate is too full right now for me to be really useful to you as a mentor. You might want to look at WP:ADOPT, which is a more formal way to match new users up with more experienced ones who can help them out. Take a look, and if you're interested, go to your user page, edit it, and type {{Adoptme}} (in double-curly braces) at the top, then save it. That should bring a mentor your direction. Best of luck. MastCell 04:22, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, I appreciate you responding. Have a nice day. --Crohnie 12:28, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Adoption

I noticed your addition to the Crohn's disease talk page and see that you are looking for someone to adopt you. I'd be glad to help out, though my schedule for the last few months has meant I'm not around as much. Feel free to ask me questions on my talk page or through e-mail if you prefer. It might take a day or two (at the most), but I'll try to point you in the right direction! InvictaHOG 18:26, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

A quick welcome

A quick welcome again to the wiki! Hope you enjoy being here. I'm a gastroenterologist who treats Crohn's disease, and it's a pleasure to have you aboard. Feel free to pop around WP:GI if you are looking for ways to help out! -- Samir धर्म 02:27, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

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Thanks, I think I need to first learn how to respond. I don't think I am doing this right. Any help by anyone is always welcomed. Please be patient with me as I don't remember things well. Thanks again.--Crohnie 11:41, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Talk:Pyoderma gangrenosum

Hey, I saw your note on Talk:Pyoderma gangrenosum and left you a response there. Thanks for the offer! Peace, delldot | talk 08:24, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

By the way, if you need any help, don't hesitate to ask me on my talk page. I'm glad to adopt you if you haven't already found an adopter. Peace, delldot | talk 08:26, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

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I am willing to take help anyway I can. I do have someone who has adopted me though and would like to give it a try with him/her. But if I make a mistake please don't hesitate to jump in to help. I have pictures on my computer but have no idea how to send them (I am allowed to share them) to you (they are very graffic and I still haven't learned how to put any kind of links in. I am not real technical and science is not in me but I would like to edit a few minor things on the crohn's page that I know is incorrect. Thank you for your time, --Crohnie 11:48, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

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Sorry but how do I post without having blockquote? When I don't use it I end up with a pink box with a long string comment. Thanks,--Crohnie 11:52, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Read this first

If you haven't read some of the information on how to contribute, this link is a great place to start as far as the mechanics. As far as the block quote - you do not need to put that tag with each post. You simply need to start your comments at the far left side without any spaces. When you put a space in front of your post, it puts it in the little box. If you'd like to indent, use a colon like this : InvictaHOG 15:49, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for your response. I am so sorry for taking so long to return to respond but real life issues have kept me on the run with doctors and trying to work and all. I will take my time to understand the above link and will practice what is needed or at least test new things. I suspect the Sandbox is what I am to use for this kind of practice but I'll try to figure things out. I have never tried something this complicated on the computer before, no personal websites or anything so I think this is going to be very interesting and fun or very frustrating!  :) Thanks to all who will have the patience to help me along. I have been scanning through and reading a bunch of other's work and comments to help me too. --Crohnie 11:20, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia! Yes, this is a learning experience for all of us in many different ways. If you need any help or advice, don't hesitate to leave me a note on my talk page, or send me an email, using the link on the left side of my talk or user pages. You might benefit from having your own private sandbox, so I'll make one for you by simply making a link here: User:Crohnie/Sandbox You can then begin to experiment there. Once you have begun to use it, the link won't be red anymore. You can easily make subpages in your own private "User space" for any projects or notes. When editing you can see how colons are used to indent comments in threads or longer quotes in articles. (I have indented your comment above.) BTW, I share your concern about the Health freedom movement article. It's a huge link farm and sales brochure for quacks selling products, as well as paid employees of the huge food supplement industry. There are huge WP:COI issues there. -- Fyslee's (First law) 11:40, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

BTW, it might be a good idea to copy the link to your sandbox to a place where you can always find it easily. It can be on your user page or a resources page, which you can make, using the same procedure used to make it and the archives. That's also the same procedure used to make articles, IOW anyone can create a unique link and start an article very easily. The problem that then comes up is whether it is worth keeping the article, or will it get deleted? -- Fyslee's (First law) 16:20, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Regarding COI

Yes, Ilena's editing behavior in areas where she has an obvious conflict of interest has confused many people. It may be settled in Wikipedia:Requests_for_arbitration/Barrett_v._Rosenthal, where the only remedy discussed so far is banning Ilena for six months. Just try not to let her get on your nerves and don't assume her behavior is appropriate. --Ronz 00:43, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for taking the time to explain this to me. She can't get on my nerves because I don't care about this kind of thing. I don't like arguing nor do I handle stress because my crohn's flares up badly so I consider myself very easy going. I am just trying to learn things here and this all is totally new to me because I have never even done a website. I am getting some help from others and appreciate any help I can get. If you see me doing something wrong don't hesitate to fix it and if it need explaining let me know. My feeling will not get hurt! :) I responded to you about the link I was talking about and tried to post it with a cut and paste, but I don't think that's how to do it. Thanks again very much, --Crohnie 00:52, 14 February 2007 (UTC)

About being in a minefield - I feel the same way about certain editors and articles. It seems that many controversial articles, especially health-related ones, are venues for disruptive editing and point-of-view disputes. Hang in there! --Ronz 05:17, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, it just gets confusing with the editing, put it in, take it out, you know. I thought the talk pages were for disagreements. --Crohnie 13:09, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

About being in a minefield - I feel the same way about certain editors and articles. It seems that many controversial articles, especially health-related ones, are venues for disruptive editing and point-of-view disputes. Hang in there! --Ronz 05:17, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, it just gets confusing with the editing, put it in, take it out, you know. I thought the talk pages were for disagreements. --Crohnie 13:09, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Unfortunately it does seem its a bit of a battle, but rest assured reality often wins out in the end. You just need to have patience and sometimes a thick skin. Some persistence helps as well :-) Shot info 23:36, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

It is neat how so many people can come together with totally different points of view (POV) and when it is all over - provided we followed all the rules - we end up with an article that is neutral (NPOV). Nobody wins, nobody loses. Remember, your POV is important and I am always glad to hear it. And don't be afraid to make your own edits. If somebbody doesn't like it, just back it up with a reliable source and see what happens. It's Fun! -- Dēmatt (chat) 14:07, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, it just gets confusing when the feuding and stuff starts. I am a calm person and really don't want to get involved in that kind of stuff so I think it makes me hesitant. --Crohnie 14:16, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

I hear Ya! That is funny, it doesn't bother me as much because I have an Italian mother who ranted and raved most of my childhood:) I eventually learned that she was yelling because nobody was listening to her;) I also figured out that just because my mom and dad never agreed on anything, didn't mean either one was right. Remember, all we are here to do is report from verifiable and reliable sources and let the reader decide. You seem to have a good sense of fairness. Hold on to it. -- Dēmatt (chat) 16:47, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm Jewish but my parents liked to argue and said things they didn't really mean which made me nervous and stressed. I guess that is why I don't like to argue, you say things in the heat of the arguement and can't take it back, even apologizing still doesn't take the nastiness away.

I've asked before but is there a spell checker? I sure could use it.--Crohnie 21:41, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

I don't think there is a spell checker here. You can try using your email program or a program like Word, then use it here. I use Outlook Express most of the time for saving and archiving stuff, including whole web pages, and for preparing stuff for inclusion here. It works fine. Sometimes I use it in Plain Text format, and other times in HTML format.

As far as NPOV goes, you can trust Dematt. He really understands it well. Even though we are sometimes on "opposite sides of the fence" on certain issues (he's a DC and I'm a PT), he is a great collaborator and editor. You don't need to fear that he'll delete your stuff because of POV motives. If he does, it's more likely because of policy or style matters, and that's perfectly proper. The deletion of other people's POV is a dangerous matter that very likely risks violating NPOV policy, so one should be very certain that there are clear policy violations that motivate any deletions or changes. -- Fyslee's (First law) 13:49, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks I'll give it a try. I only use outlook for newsgroups so I don't know if it will work with office. To be honest, I wasn't worried about being deleted by anyone, and if I am oh well. I am new so mistakes happen. I would never delete someone elses edits at this point unless it was clearly vandelism. The only deletion I have done so far is when I first started, I deleted my name on an article. :)--Crohnie 14:05, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

How do I archive?

My page is getting long, and the links to help me I have saved in my favorites so I would like to make this page a little smaller. Is it too soon to do this? Archiving is the way to do this right? Thanks for any information. --Crohnie 14:09, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

I'll make one for you. You can then see my edits and see how I did it. -- Fyslee's (First law) 16:09, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Now you can move as much as you want and place it there. Usually it's a good idea to leave the last few threads, and certainly any active ones, in place. They can be archived later. When the archive page gets too large, you can make another one and follow the same procedure I used. Now go for it! -- Fyslee's (First law) 16:15, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks!--Crohnie 17:37, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Can you tell me exactly how to do this? I tried move and it sends me to a page I don't understand and it doesn't look like the right location for me. I read the archive stuff, but it is way over my head right now. Is there a way to automatically get old threads archived so I don't have to deal with it though it's probabably better that I learn how to do it. --Crohnie 18:34, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

If you're talking about archiving, there is an automated bot (robot) that can do it for you, but it's best you learn to do it yourself, since this is a fundamental editing matter here, that you will need to understand in many other situations anyway. Therefore you may as well practice on your own user space. (You can subscribe to the bot service later if you wish.) To avoid losing information (which really can't happen, since you can just roll back in your edit history and find the material) I'd advise you to copy and paste, rather than clip and paste:

1. Open this whole talk page for editing.
2. Copy the material you wish to move.
3. Click the "show preview" button at the bottom.
4. Click the archive link at the top.
5. Edit the archive, place the copied material there, and save the page. (Leave the existing template at the top of the editing area.)
6. Now, if all has gone well, return to this talk page and delete what you have moved. It is no longer needed here.

Now you're done! If you have any questions or encounter problems, just ask.

To make this easier, open a new website page with this copy open, so you can read the instructions here, while doing all the editing in the other one.

Another tip to help you learn quicker: Get used to looking at the raw edit copy (what is visible when you look at a diff or are actually editing) before you read the finished version. That will teach you to read and interpret codes, which will also teach you how others make things look the way they do. When you see something you'd like to copy, look at the code by clicking "edit", but DON'T save it! You can copy it to your sandbox and play with it there. A number of wikicodes are much simpler to use than HTML codes, although they function much the same way. Even when you don't fully understand everything about coding, you can still do the most fantastic things by simply copying other people's code....;-) -- Fyslee's (First law) 20:25, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Just saying HI

Just a friendly Hiya from another Newbie. Hope you are enjoying your Wiki experience. It's kind of fun, Yes? I haven't made many edits because my learning curve is more on the down rather than up. Catch you later.Emilydcksn 08:24, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, I'm learning too, slowly it seems to me. I hope to see you around. --Crohnie 11:23, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Move to archive after move to main page

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Brewing storm

Here is what people have learned: as long as you don't say what you mean, you can later deny what you meant. I think that you are a very perceptive person; when you read what people write, you get what they mean and not just what they say. This is why you are picking up on the cruel undertones of the bitter storm churning right now on the edges of science. If I knew how to bring about a compromise that would satisfy people on both sides of these issues, I would. I'm sad about the way things are, too. But for right now, I'm not sure how to satisfy both sides. I think it will take some time before it becomes clear how this will be resolved. In the meantime, keep doing the good work that you do. This encyclopedia exists for and because of people like you, who are willing to put in the hard work to improve important articles like Crohn's disease. Very soon I'd like to be able to return to focusing on the content instead of bitter talk-page disputes, as well. Talk to you soon. Antelan ^talk 02:43, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

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