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[edit] Serbiana incident

[edit] Unblocked

I've unblocked this User.

Removing messages from one's Talk page is not vandalism; please read Wikipedia:Vandalism. The "enemies/watch" list is a bad ideea, and I ask Croatian historian to remove it, but it is also not a blockable offence. I've looked at some of the accusations of personal attacks, and so far haven't found a single genuine example — though those attacking Croatian historian have been guilty of vandalism (removing comments from article Talk pages, which is vandalism and a blockable offence if persisted in), removing AfD notices feom articles when the discussion is still live, and genuine personal attacks.

Croation historian isn't perfect, and he needs to cool down — but I've seen nothing so far that justifies a block, while some of those with whom he's been in conflict have often behaved much worse, ann may well earn blocks themselves if they continue. I strongly suggest that both sides calm down — go and edit articles on things about which you have no deep and fixed opinions for while. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 17:04, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

I have deleted the list (which was only created in response to blocking and sabotaging my user talk page), as well as the other stuff which was result of Bormargaluski's reaction to my vote in his admin election. Croatian historian ( ) 17:52, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
My IP address is still not unblocked. Note also that User:OrbitOne deleted the above comment. Croatian historian ( ) 17:58, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Response

Response to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:AN/I#User:Croatian_historian

  • The watch list was only created after Serbiana and other users started spamming my talk page with bad faith warning templates, and reverting my deletion of trolling and personal attacks on my own talk page. The templates were in the first place added by Serbiana only in retaliation to my opposition vote in his failed admin election. In addition to making large numbers of personal attacks, oft in foreign languages, deletion of comments on article talk pages etc. this user is suspected of other offenses. A warning template added by this user in retaliation is utterly trollish. Anyone participating in the trolling and vandalism of this user are hence also guilty of trolling and vandalism.
  • All this information has all the time been available on my talk page.
  • Vandalism is a problem for Wikipedia. A list to keep track of people who break rules is not against any rules. I consider the edits made on my talk page to be simple vandalism and thus justifying monitoring those responsible. The case was extraordinarily grave because the same users blocked my account in contradiction with policy, to prevent me from defending myself against attacks. However, as I expect my talk page is not vandalized more, I have removed the list. If I am wrong, however, I will need to reconsider this decision.
  • I have never been legitimately blocked for anything else than the 3 revert rule violation on Serbia on March 23 (where my opponent was deleting any reference to Yugoslav wars from history section).
  • All users involved in harassing me on my talk page should ask for apology. If they don't, I will consider filing a complaint against each of those who have used admin powers to block an opponent in an edit war or protect their own version of a page. This is serious abuse of privileges and should generally lead to losing them. Croatian historian ( ) 18:18, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Adminship abuse complaint draft

"User: LBMixPro 1) vandalized my user talk page, 2) restored trolling comments and threats from Serbs nationalists which was deleted and NOT WANTED at my user talk page, 3) blocked an opponent in an edit war (where he was vandalizing the talk page of another contributor) and 4) protected his vandalized version of my talk page. I ask that this user has his admin privileges removed. He has abused his admin privileges to help push the Serbian nationalist agenda of User:Bormalagurski and attacking users who oppose such nationalism and Milošević apologetics, and has thus shown himself unworthy of the trust of the Wikipedia community.

Allow me to clarify my invlovement in your past dispute: I have absolutely no knowlege or interest of your view of Serbia, and have no invlovement whatsoever with the actions of User:Bormalagurski. The reason I came into this situation was a response to a admin's intervention against vandalsim report. --LBMixPro<Speak|on|it!> 23:00, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Vandalizing user pages and user talk pages is very serious offense. It is up to the user to determine the content of these pages, and he is free to remove trolling as well as organize his own talk page as he wishes. The trolling (bad faith use of warning templates) and threats by notorious POV pusher User:Bormalagurski he illegally restored at my talk page was related to my opposition vote at Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/Bormalagurski. See comment at that page, which speak for itself. I suspect the User:LBMixPro took part in the ugly campaign of nationalistic pro-Milošević Serb Wikipedians to have Serbiana made an admin."

I apologize for misinterpeting the vandalism rules, causing your inconvinence and I thank Mel Etitis for pointing that out to me. I know I cannot undo the actions of the last few days, so I'm hoping you'll accept my apology. From this point, I'll leave your page alone, but before I go, let me leave you with some words of advice: In case you are faced with a notice that you feel you shouldn't have, the best thing you can do is to ask an admin to remove it for you. --LBMixPro<Speak|on|it!> 23:00, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
I accept your apology. Croatian historian ( ) 23:27, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Looks like you were cleared Croatian historian, but please keep a cool head and go to the admins to remove your warnings instead of doing it yourself. I have nothing against you, but from my view the last few days, it looked like you were breaking the rules repeatedly. Next time (if there is) something like this starts, stay calm and ask for an administrator to help you remove the warnings. They will investigate and help you out. It is much easier on everyone. --OrbitOne [Talk|Babel] 00:19, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

This is a sad day for Wikipedia. I will not give-up on watching this user's every single move, and wait untill he makes another mistake. The spreading of Croatian propaganda MUST STOP!!! --Serbiana ₪ 02:48, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] 3rr vio at Serbia

Hi, you violated the three-revert rule on Serbia. I have disabled your editing permissions for 24 hours. Please read our guide on dispute resolution during the time you are unable to contribute to Wikipedia. Feel free to return after your block expires, but take your differences to the talk page and please refrain from edit warring. Cheers, —Ruud 00:56, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Srbofobija. Šteta što nema lek za obolele. --Serbiana ₪ 01:01, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit]  !

Wow, there, don't you think that you should ease down a little with thy right-wingeness? --HolyRomanEmperor 13:01, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Which right-wingeness? What is right-wing with opposing Serbian nationalism? Croatian historian 15:29, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

I didn't mean that in precise, I meant other things... as well. And opposing one nationalism, seems like supporting other nationalisms. --HolyRomanEmperor 15:48, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Note

I have slightly modified your userpage. There is nothing particular about poisonous Serbian nationalism to distinguish it from other types of poisonous nationalism; stating that there is can only cause divisiveness. DS 13:56, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Not all nationalism is genocidal or aggressive expansionist/irredentist like the Serbian one. Croatian historian 15:29, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

But surely you then rembember the German, Italian and Japanese nationalism and the Holocaust or the Croatian nationalism over 1,000,000 dead in World War II? Aren't those aggressive? Or perhaps the French nationalism under Napoleon? Moslem nationalism? Albanian nationalism? --HolyRomanEmperor 15:53, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

After being persecuted and oppressed by Serbs it is natural that Croats seek freedom. The Serbians wanted to deny Croats freedom, even very recently. Croatian historian 15:59, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Persecuted and oppressed???? TITO WAS CROATIAN!!! Serbs were under a Croatian leader!! How were you oppressed? After Tito died, there was a rotating presidency, again, noone could be oppressed! I didn't hear of any Croatian refugees from Serbia, did you? But I did hear of lost of Serb refugees from Croatia. This is nationalist nonsense, someone should block you. --Serbiana ₪ 20:00, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Tito was a communist criminal and clearly a very anti-Croatian person who opposed Croatian independence. Croatian patriots and clergy was persecuted by the criminal Yugoslav regime, best known example being the Blessed Martyr Alojzije Cardinal Stepinac, murdered by the Yugoslav regime. Croatian historian ( ) 20:27, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

You know, this is, like, the milionth time you erased my messages. But I don't care anymore, because sooner or later, someone will realize what you're trying to do here. There is a Croatian Wikipedija, so go spread your nationalist views there, God knows they need more. This is not a blog, and your previous statement confirmst that you're not aware that this is an Encyclopedia (Tito was a communist criminal, should that be in an encyclopedia?), so go to www.blog.hr, and knock yourself out... --Serbiana ₪ 02:07, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] No personal attacks!

In regards to this edit of yours:

Please see Wikipedia's no personal attacks policy: There is no excuse for personal attacks on other contributors. Do not make them. Comment on content, not on the contributor; personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that you may be blocked for disruption. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thanks, --Serbiana ₪ 18:51, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism

Deleting posts at talk pages is considered to be vandalism and may led to you being banned from editing Wikipedia. Please never do that again. --Serbiana ₪ 19:56, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

nema šanse da pobediš u revertovanju, ja sam 20 sati dnevno za kompom, a tvoju stranicu ću posebno proveravati svaki sat. pa da vidimo ko će duže izdržati :-)

--Serbiana ₪ 20:23, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

This is your last warning. Removing warnings from your talk page is considered vandalism. You will be blocked from editing Wikipedia and your talk page will be protected from editing if you do it again. --Rory096 20:55, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Blocked

You have been blocked for vandalism of Wikipedia, for 31 hours. To contest this block, add the text {{unblock}} on this page, along with an explanation of why you believe this block to be unjustified. Please be sure to include your username (if you have one) and IP address in your email.

Please do not erase warnings on this page. Doing so is also considered vandalism, and may get your block extended. Your talk page has also been protected from editing, for the duration of your ban. --LBMixPro<Speak|on|it!> 21:21, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Oh, man

Mass-murderers have always tried to explain their recent acts. Don't follow those steps. Anyway, we could say that the Croatian nationalism was the worst of all on the lands of former Yugoslavia according to your logic (none other was so destructive), respectivly; but that would be far too generelizing and insultive, so it's simply invalid to say so. Now ask yourself, what are you doing?

As for Alojzije, I can't say much, but I'm most definatle certain that he isn't in Heaven right now. :-) --HolyRomanEmperor 15:00, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

It was not the Croats who produced Slobodan Milošević or attempted so seize parts of Serbia in the 1990s. Alojzije Cardinal Stepinac was perhaps the most honourable man in history of Croatia of the 20th century, also if compared to great statesmen like Franjo Tuđman. It was not without reason he was beatified by Pope John Paul II in 1998! Croatian historian ( ) 22:23, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

I don't know why you're mentioning Milosevic, we're not talking about him at all. Also, Franjo and the Pope don't really fit in to this conversation. The fact of the matter is that you're looking at every situation, historical event and person from a strictly Croatian point of view. Allow me to make an impersonation of you: "Serbs are guilty for everything. All Croats are saints. I love my pope, who let's me get away with everything. I'm so Serbophobic that I can't even allow Serbian posts on my user page. That's why I voted for the deletion of the article "Serbophobia", because it doesn't exist. Nor does Croatian nationalism, we are all very nice and non-guilty. All of us. Serbs suck. I think I'll go edit Ante Pavelic now, so that he has only "allegedly" comitted crimes...". Period. --Serbiana ₪ 02:14, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

To me, this looks awfully like you're just accusing everyone who is opposed to your Croatian nationalism of being a pro-Serb pro-Milosevic propaganda-spreading troll and behavior like that is not accepted at this Wikipedia. List one non-nationalist edit you made. Come on! Find one! --Serbiana ₪ 02:48, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

P.S. I added you to my very own personal Watch list. Congradulations! You're the first and only one on it. --Serbiana ₪ 02:53, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] E-mail

Can you validate your e-mail address? Thanks. SpeedyGonsales 17:20, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

I don't have registered an e-mail account for Wikipedia purpose, I really prefer using wiki for communication because I think everyone shall be able to take part in discussion of article content. Croatian historian ( ) 18:34, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
Check my user page, then maybe you will find a reason to send me an e-mail (I registered my e-mail address on all wikipedias on which I am active user). Thanks. SpeedyGonsales 12:52, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] User page template colors

By the way, if you add <br style="clear: both;" clear="all" /> to the end of of your user page, the yellow background will cover to the end of the page, instead of just cutting off midway through your babel box.

Also, check out WP:UP for some info about fair use images in the user namespace. --LBMixPro<Speak|on|it!> 00:23, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice. Croatian historian ( ) 00:32, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

But please be kind??? You stop reverting my edits, and then I'll be kind... --Serbiana ₪ 02:48, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Hello!

Dear Wikipedian,

Sorry to bother you, I'm new here, could you possibly explain where you found the templates on your user page, and how I could put some on my user page? Thank you in advance.

Sincerely,

M.B. 04:53, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

He made it up. Why? Because only he needs templates like "This user supports the work of the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia bringing Serb war criminals to justice.", even though there are Croats like Ante Gotovina in the Tribunal as well (how ironic). Here's my advice, stick to the main templates that are here. Cheers, --Serbiana ₪ 05:06, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Okay, I see there is a bit of conflict between you and Boris. Why is he being so uncivil? --OrbitOne [Talk|Babel] 09:30, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Well,

anyone is entitled to express his/her own opinion. Perhaps everyone has made a mistake about Alojzije. But calling him the most honourable man of 20th century Croatia is bad. There are briliant composers, musicians and writers; he's just far too connected with the villains. I might say the same thing for Franjo Tuđman. Politicians that took a side in wars are never straight good and he himself made some far too radical statements and pushes.

Anyways, I don't know why you brought Slobodan Miloshevich (who wasn't produced by the Serbs, but Montenegrins, by the way, but that's another subject :-) up. It is known that never a greater splean or evil was on the soil of ex Yugo than the Independent State of Croatia.

But, if you think that opening extirmination camps and executing hundreds of thousands of citizens through gas chambers, hanging or torture and resorting to fascism and nazism you consider a fight for freedom, then you have a big question to ask yourself, I'm afraid my friend. --HolyRomanEmperor 12:53, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Do not remove warnings

This is your last warning. Removing warnings from your talk page is considered vandalism. You will be blocked from editing Wikipedia and your talk page will be protected from editing if you do it again. --Rory096 15:26, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
Please see Wikipedia's no personal attacks policy: There is no excuse for personal attacks on other contributors. Do not make them. Comment on content, not on the contributor; personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that you may be blocked for disruption. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thanks. ⇒ SWATJester Ready Aim Fire! 15:35, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Rationale for protecting page

Everybody, everybody, chill down. Croatian historian, you should already know from the discussion from WP:AN/I that removing warnings, while Etitis does not view this as a blockable offense, is considered inappropriate based on WP:VAND. However, because Croatian historian was effectively indicated otherwise, I'm not going to block him/her. Meanwhile, please, everybody let this sit for a few hours. --Nlu (talk) 15:38, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

When I say chill down, I mean chill down -- not here, not elsewhere. If you're going to discuss it, discuss in a civilized manner on WP:ANI. I didn't say that you were vandalizing, and you shouldn't call those people who reverted warnings on your page vandals. Continuing to do so will get you blocked. Again, discuss it on the appropriate page. --Nlu (talk) 15:48, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

WP:ANI isn't the forum for discussing this. Croatian historian had removed templates placed on his page mischievously, in bad faith, adn in ignorance. I suggest that he archive the whole page to User talk:Croatian historian/Archive 1, and start afresh. I've unprotected the page, as I can see no good ground for protecting it against him. If, however, users like User:Bormalagurski continue to harrass him, I shall take steps to stop them. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 16:13, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Why is WP:ANI not the forum for discussing this? This is a genuine question. The issue was brought up on ANI, it was discussed on ANI, and the further developments should be discussed there. --Nlu (talk) 16:17, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Blocked for 48 hours

You have been temporarily blocked from editing for disrupting Wikipedia by making personal attacks. If you wish to make useful contributions, you are welcome to come back after the block expires. --Nlu (talk) 16:14, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
I've unblocked this user, and unprotected this page. I've made a report on the recent goings on at WP:AN/I. --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 17:02, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Why

where does such a hatred come from? Why do you hate Serbs so much? Gianni ita 20:33, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Peace

Ok, I see you're getting really annoyed with my comments. I will stop posting inflamatory comments on this page if you agree not to touch the ones that are already posted. Deal?

--Serbiana ₪ 07:27, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Go away

Go spread your Croatian Fascist Catholic propaganda on the Croatian Wikipedia. Here: Not Wanted! The world is fed up with genodical criminal Croats!

[edit] user Nlu

you should file an arbitration against Nlu.. you got my support, he isn't a capable administrator. i gotta a whole bunch of incidents which Nlu violate wiki policy while accusin others of violating them..o yeah and btw nlu can't speak english it's called "chill out" not "chill down" hahaha smh Nlu--Freestyle.king 07:13, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] User:WikiMB

Just a short note that I have sent to several Croatian contributors regarding User:WikiMB. He is, in all likelyhood, another account that has been opened by Serbiana. Given the number of his edits and the approach he is using he is probably aiming at eventually getting adminship at Wikipedia which Serbiana failed to secure on a couple of attempts for all the known reasons. Needless to say, this would have interesting consequences on our efforts to maintain articles related to Croatia. I had suspected this for some time, but I didn't have any proof until yesterday (April 2) when Serbiana made a mistake of deleting a Luka Jačov's comment left on User:WikiMB's discussion under Re:Template. Luka Jačov appeared 5 minutes after this deletion and left a slightly modified comment. Pretty interesting tempering with another user's page on the part of Serbiana. Of course, User:WikiMB re-appeared 5 minutes later as if nothing had happened to add another PR remark. For more info check WB's history page]. EurowikiJ 12:28, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

This is a follow-up on the note that I have left above. The administrator on the check-user page has decided not to conduct a check on the Serbiana and User:WikiMB. Though my claim was based on a chain of strange edits that took place on WikiMB's discussion page on April 2 and certainly not on any editing pattern, the administrator concluded that "Just from looking at the contributions I find it unlikely that these two are sockpuppets of one another; they appear to me to be distinct editors.". Hence, the request was denied and the accounts in question were not checked. For User:Bormalagurski and User:WikiMB's reaction(s) and arguments, please see the entry at Request for Check User page, WikiMB's and my talk pages. EurowikiJ 09:40, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] I think that you have it slightly wrong

...claiming that Serbia tried to seize parts of Croatia. Did Serbia and Croatia try to seize parts of Bosnia and Herzegovina? Or is Albania trying to seize parts of Serbia and Macedonia? These things are more complex. I think that it's Croatian 1990s politicians' own fault that Croatia's former people rebelled against it (serbs in this case). --HolyRomanEmperor 22:14, 4 April 2006 (UTC)