Talk:Crossroads (Jericho episode)

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—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 195.137.62.112 (talk • contribs) 17:26, 3 December 2006 (UTC).

[edit] who's goetz?

Just guessing he's the Ravenwood leader OverlordQ 22:56, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

He's the leader of the Ravenwood men who gone bad, but who knows, he might turn out to be the mastermind or close. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Marc Feldmann (talk • contribs) 19:02, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] AM TV Surprise?

Any guesses on what that means? A305w 02:20, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

My guess is something about Jericho on The Early Show on thursday morning. --Ptkdude 02:49, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Got me...I tried it several different ways, but this was the only way that made sense. On the opening, it's spaced more like "AOV" instead of "AM TV" but they have run characters together on other episodes like that...often. Makes it quite difficult to transcribe. WarFighter 03:11, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

FYI, I recorded the Early Show today; not a darned thing there about Jericho, much to my chagrin. 64.12.116.65 17:00, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

It is 1st Surprise not AM TV Surprise.

AM TV Surprise = .- -- / - ...- / ... ..- .-. .--. .-. .. ... .

1st Surprise = .---- ... - / ... ..- .-. .--. .-. .. ... . Maybe that helps. --BenWoodruff 18:39, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

That is great. It certainly wasn't sent that way. The dots and dashes are all there, but they weren't grouped that way. I wonder if someone could clue CBS in that they need to learn how to send Morse code a little (LOT) cleaner. I think I will try to send them something on this...not that they'll care. Thanks for clearing that up though. When they send really badly like that, it makes it extremely difficult to figure out. When I hear someone sending CW on HF like that, I don't even answer them. WarFighter 18:54, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Warfighter, you should send it to them in Morse! --Ptkdude 20:24, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

HA!!! That is great! I might have to do that! But I'd make sure and send it in broken characters, the same way they send over the beginning of the episode.  :-) WarFighter 20:39, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Well, does anyone have any idea of what "1st Surprise" means?

Isn't a lot of this speculation and interpretation? I've listened to the first part of the message a few dozen times, and I always hear "AOV", not "AM TV" nor "1ST". It's natural to assume that one of those two were the intended message since they make more sense than "AOV", but neither have an obvious connection to the episode (unlike "ROB NOT FBI" or "THERE IS A FIRE" which are transparent). A third option to be considered is "NOV SURPRISE", with a flip of the first dot and dash (-. = N). It still isn't very satisfactory because it's not compellingly obvious. QAmVp 03:38, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Maybe the surprise is the fact and Jake and Emily were to marry, though that wouldn't be much of a surprise. I am beginning to think that the morse code was fubared at CBS's end and it while it was meant to be mean something, maybe something got lost in the "translation" to the botched morse code. A305w 15:57, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

There has been some discussion about this on HAM radio fora and they all report that this message is "slurred" making it hard for even experienced HAM operators to transcribe. One growing opinion is that the message is "AOV SURPIRSE". AOV means Area Of Violation. Dbromage 02:40, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Ok, well if there is no objection I will change it to AOV SURPRISE...As you can see in my first entry on here about the morse code, that's what I had originally decoded it as but it didn't make sense to me at the time as I had not heard that term before. WarFighter 21:39, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

What is an AOV suprise?A305w 01:12, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Please refer to the entry by Dbromage, directly above my last one. (Area of Violation) Google will yield more info on the meaning of that. WarFighter 03:26, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

"AOV SURPRISE" is by no means a satisfying interpretation, but unless there was clear audio evidence that the decode is wrong or a rock-solid meaning for one of the other decodes (AM TV, 1st, or NOV), then "AOV SURPRISE" is what we have to go with. It could even be "A OV SURPRISE", not sure about "a/an" convention with abbreviations or the spacing heard in the message. Answers.com lists OV to be a military abbreviation for Observation Aircraft...any confirmations? QAmVp 08:45, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

I listened to that intro more than 20 times (I lost count) and it was always spaced as "AOV SURPRISE" -- every time. I was unfamiliar with the term initially, so tried to find some other way to decode it but it was sent as "AOV SURPRISE". WarFighter 15:25, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

I meant to comment in here the other day. It could reflect one of the terms we sometimes use at work, which gets wrote when its not referring to a military vehicle (ie a APC etc) as AOV - Army Operated Vehicle. If, using this term, AOV SURPRISE could easily relate to Stanley's surprise of waking in the night, to find Army Operated Vehicles (Hummers) stealing / acquiring fuel Ravend 03:05, 23 November 2006 (UTC) (Aust DoD)

Question: On CBS' Jericho "wiki", the Morse Code translations for this episode post "AOV SURPRISE" and "NOV SURPRISE" as possibilities. I don't have a copy of the show any more, but if someone does, could they please give it a listen? If, by some chance, the code can be interpreted as "NOV", it would build nicely over the subsequent episodes:

"NOV SURPRISE" (November = sweeps month)
"IT BEGINS WITH"
"6 AND ENDS WITH" (the code is a cliffhanger, as is the eleventh episode).

Thoughts? --Ckatzchatspy 10:30, 30 November 2006 (UTC) (look at Talk:Vox Populi for a further evolution of this speculative flight of fancy...) Excellent deduction!

Well I'm sorry, but the first time I heard it I thought it was A MTV surprise, but that didn't make sense. AOV Surprise makes no sense at all. NOV surprise is generally dumb. And so I listened to it again and again. It's sloppy. But it says 1ST SURPRISE and that in the end is the only thing that really makes any sense. The "6 AND ENDS WITH" doesn't fit in at all after watching the rest of the episodes. Simply put it is 1ST SURPRISE really sloppy, but 1ST SURPRISE none the less.... Anonym1ty 18:27, 21 May 2007 (UTC) 20WPM Morse FCC Exam-Extra Class Ham Radio Operator.

[edit] Claymore Detonator

Any idea where Jake got a Claymore detonator? Those aren't normally just out there roaming around. I don't think it would have been with the dynamite for the mines as the civilian ones don't look like that. Claymore detonators are "demilitarized" before release to render them inoperative. WarFighter 20:55, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Most likely the switch he had was a commercial variant of the type used in a claymore. They got the explosives from Gray, who used them for mining, stands to reason they'd have a detonator or two laying around... I've seen a commercial detonator similar to a claymore switch... except it used a primacord fuse instead of wires, but I don't think it's too much to think they could have a wired version... --69.143.69.249 22:32, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Crossroads companion episode

I started to post this on the main article discussion page, and then it got archived, so I'll re-post it here just for thoughts.. At the end of Crossroads Ep. 9, there is a map coordinate given as a meeting place. It is given as "GL143761"... which appears to be six digit a Military Grid Reference. The only one I could find that is within the US borders should be written as "14SGL143761"... 14S is the only MGRS zone that would resolve with those grid coordinates, and corresponds roughly to the location of Shadehill, South Dakota. Are we going to start a Countdown observations section also for this type of information, or is this considered cruft?

There was some (brief) discussion about this on the main talk page a while back, but I don't think a final consensus was reached. I think the idea was that, if the Countdown webisodes continue to fall in line with the tv episodes, it would be appropriate to include a synopsis of those as well in the episode articles, but with so few of them available up to now I don't think anyone's gone out of their way to summarize them and include them in the articles. If the two continue to intertwine the storylines together, and provide additional information crucial to the show itself, I don't see how it could be considered fannish, cruft, or OR. MikeFTM 22:41, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] General comment

No mention of the fact that Robert Hawkins has a high powered sniper rifle with him, that no one else really sees (the rifle you see him carrying openly is not what he used)?

Probably trying to ignore the gigantic problems with this event and move on. The rifle used in this scene is a special Hollywood rifle that only makes a PHUT sound and yet can give an instant kill at long distances with a single shot. This is the most ridiculous scene regarding Hawkins so far. --Vincentfox 20:38, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

--- It looked like a M24 7.62mm Sniper Rifle with a side mounted WX2-98240 - Universal Rifle Laser Sight. The PHUT/PFFT sound was due to the 'silencer' that appeared to be on the end of it, although the correct term is a suppressor. If it is that weapon, then its interesting to note its Army issue, not Marine or other service. Ravend 00:54, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Re: Vincentfox --
https://www.infantry.army.mil/29thInf/courses/sniper/index.htm
http://www.snipercentral.com/m24.htm
WarFighter 15:02, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
I admire your recognition skills. However in Hollywood it's all about "bring me something black and scary-looking". The usage is pure Hollywood. For a military sniper the most important thing is flash-suppression so they can't spot the sniper by the muzzle-blast. Silence is not all that important as you cannot make something sound like a 22-short round, without slowing the round to subsonic which makes it darn hard to aim or any distance. Pure Hollywood, better to skip lightly over it. --Vincentfox 05:08, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

No mention about Gray challenging / calling for its time for a new Mayor?

Can anyone explain this statement 'Jonah also attempts to drive a wedge between Jake and the townspeople.' - I can not see that in that segment.

Thank you, 203.10.224.61 23:14, 16 November 2006 (UTC) oops, me. Ravend 23:16, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

If there is information you feel is missing, as long as it is a description of the episode and not just an interpretation of what happened, please feel free to add it yourself.

-- I'm a wuss and rather have it discussed first before making my ham-handed attempts at changes. Ravend 00:54, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Regarding the Jonah thing, it could be in reference to the "If Eric hadn't come to get me" thing, suggesting to the people that Eric had been right and Jake had been wrong. I wouldn't subscribe to that interpretation myself, and since it is interpretation and not description, that should probably be removed. --Psiphiorg 23:37, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
ANFOS doesn't have the brisance to blow concrete, especially steel reinforced concrete like they use in bridge supports and other heavy load bearing construction. The dynamite might have done so but the ANFOS is useless as it does not have the blasting velocity to shatter steel and concrete. Didn't work at Oklahoma City (nearby seismographs recorded two blasts close together and experts have testified on the strangeness of the damage in photos IF it were caused by a single truck bomb that supposedly was loaded with a type of explosive incapable of bringing down steel-beam structures). Had they set off the bomb, it is unlikely that they could have destroyed the columns; however, they might have succeeded in removing enough of the dirt from underneath them to have collapsed the bridge. Then again, to do this, the ANFO barrels would likely have to be partially buried in the river mud, for precisely the same reason Bruce Willis had to drill a nuke into an asteroid to blow it up in the movie Armageddon. A more useful tactic would have been to bury or otherwise hide the explosives on the wrong side of the road block with plenty of shrapnel to throw and set up a claymore-like "kill zone" to trap the mercenaries within. With luck, enough of the mercs would be killed or wounded in the blast to allow the defenders to mop up, and the cache of military rifles and other goodies gotten from that skirmish would have provided enough firepower to give Jericho's fledgling security forces a start in the right direction.72.75.116.108 17:33, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
I'm inclined to agree, with regard to the nature of the explosives. The deck of the bridge has no expansion joints (indicating to me that it is a relative new bridge, as the AASHTO code didn't reflect that type of construction until about 6 or 7 years ago). Those columns are probably fairly deep, and those abutments would likely not be displaced by the blast (again, because there is no constraint on the development of overpresssure). My inclination is to think that the "sandbag" slope stabilization under the abutment is actually a sand-cement mix, and will not easily be displaced). Did anyone else notice that the red-brown station wagon they moved into the barricade was the same one that Jake hit in the pilot? Is that worth mentioning (I'm thinking the crew just had a wreck on the lot that was handy to use) regarding the larger state of Jericho's cleanup and infrastructure improvement efforts? Lastly, The townsfolk were really constrained on that bridge for the roadblock. My thought would be that an L-shaped ambush would have been tactically superior, with wrecks along the side of the road leading to the jersey barrier sides of the bridge, funneling the hummer convoy into the kill zone, considering that they had time to improve the ambush for the return. tom (talk) 16:29, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Humvee vs. Hummer

I changed the instance of Humvee to Hummer. The hummers featured in this episode were clearly the civilian version (even saying Hummer on the front) and not the military version "Humvee".