Talk:Cross-border town naming
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Where is Rosenkrans in Denmark? I know it's not directly on the border of Germany because the Danish town that borders Rosenkranz, Germany is Rudbøl. I've tried looking for it on a few maps and via the internet, but the only (non-verifiable) result I've found mentions something miniscule on the island of Als - placing it not only way on the other (Eastern) side of the border but also not all that close to the border. I've been all throughout that border and I've never seen any signs, roads or even farms with that name. Can anyone clarify this?
[edit] Cross-Provincial/Territorial/State Border
In countries like Canada and the United States, where their 2nd-tier govn'ts are well-known and cover large areas, there are quite a few worth worth naming such as Chicago, Ottawa-Ganiteau, Lloydminster etc.
NagamasaAzai 02:10, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Opening paragraph
The emphasis in the opening paragraph is the wrong way around. It implies two places were given the same name.
In the European context this is usually not the case. The town or village often existed before the border, or even before the modern concept of a border. The border was added later (not always due to war), and divided a community. Often, until at least the first half of the 20th century, and again in the post-Schengen 21st century, such divisions could be mostly ignored by the inhabitants.
I suggest: ".... concept where towns or villages with the same name have become split into two halves, in two different countries." TiffaF 08:07, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
I have now re-written this opening paragraph. TiffaF 10:52, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Non-border towns
Somebody added the following:
- ====Spain/Cuba====
- Melilla / Melilla
- ====Spain/Italy====
- Melilla / Melilla
- ====Spain/Uruguay====
- Melilla / Melilla
I have taken them out as they are not cases of identically-named towns on either side of a border, they are totally unconnected places with the same name. TiffaF 10:30, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
Also removed:
- ====Netherlands/United Kingdom====
Somebody doesn't understand what this page is for. Netherlands does not have a border with the United Kingdom, and Tilburg has no connection with Tilbury. TiffaF 11:08, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Lloydminster
While Lloydminster does not straddle a national border, it does straddle a provincial border in Canada, and was at one point two separate cities when the provincial border was first drawn. As provincial borders are as geographically significant as national borders in Europe, I feel LLoydminster deserves a mention here.
[edit] Merge with Divided cities
This article and Divided cities appear to be covering the same territory (pun intended). I propose they be merged. TiffaF 07:45, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
- While divided cities are a subsection of cross-border naming, not all cross-border towns with connected names are necessarily divided. I.e. East and West Berlin would have been an example for both a divided city and cross-border naming, but e.g. Neuf-Brisach and Breisach are related but not divided. Travelbird 14:37, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] A community on one side of a border grows up to service the border, and takes the name of the adjacent community on the other side of the border.
Somebody changed this to "A community on one side of a (future) border grows up, ...", But that isn't what I meant. What I meant is the border is put there first, then a comunity grows up because there is a border and uses the same name as the (larger) community on the other side. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by TiffaF (talk • contribs) 13:04, 15 April 2007 (UTC).
[edit] Names entirely different for border towns
Am I correct in thinking that most of the Canada/USA, North Korea/China and Macao/Mainland China town combos do not fit the criteria for this wiki?.
User:Brenont 18:09, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
