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Contents 1 Comments 2 Name? 3 Picture Choice 4 Crassus vs. Croesus 5 Why is Xenophon's work ignored 6 The death of Croesus

[edit] Comments

Are there any other cases on record of people who have "accidentally" killed more than one person? Is there only one source on record for Adrastus? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.60.180.59 (talk) 11:04, 2 June 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Name?

Is there any evidence for how Croesus' name would have been rendered in the Lydian language? --Jfruh 19:30, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Is Croesus really a transliteration? Is there really a rule for converting omicron into u?? --BjKa 10:29, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Picture Choice

Is a king in 17th century monarchical regalia really appropriate to an ancient greek king? Is there anything in that picture other than a vaguery of "white male monarch in beard" which makes this unique to Croesus? totaly improveable —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.37.236.225 (talk) 04:36, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

He wasn't Greek, at least not according to Herodotus. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 76.186.80.23 (talk) 04:17, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

I agree: This picture might illustrate the presence of Croesus in popular culture through the ages, but I don't find it appropriate for the opening paragraph. I'm taking it out.--BjKa 10:29, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Crassus vs. Croesus

Doesn't the expression refer to Crassus instead? He was too very rich and one would think a Roman would be more likely than a Lydian to be remembered in a popular sayingDanielcohn 00:55, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Having just seen Les Mis, I got home and looked up the lyrics. In the song 'Beggars at the Feast', M. and Mme. Thenardier sing the line "And when we're rich as Croesus". I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just pointing out how it is used in popular culture - Weebiloobil 18:56, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Why is Xenophon's work ignored

How come when the article mentioned that Xenophon had wrote about Croesus, the article says nothing about what Xenophon? Ignoring his work, and only repeating what Herodotus wrote is only blinding ourselves of another point of view on history. Which is more accurate, because it does not have bits of facts mixed in with lies and obvious exaggerations. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Mehr113355 (talk • contribs) 19:35, 20 March 2007 (UTC).

[edit] The death of Croesus

I have updated the section on the death of Croesus. The whole thing depends on the reading of the name of the country in the Nabonidus Chronicle, but Cargill already demonstrated in his 1977/1978 article that the reading LU is completely hypothetical. As he shows (by quoting the relevant articles; it is all very factual), the first editor of the text decided against it and others who did read it did so on historical grounds rather than having seen the text themselves. He concludes that there is no end for the debate for now (i.e., late 1970s) but that the reading LU is actually very unlikely, based on the remaining traces. Oelsner and Rollinger arrived at Ú independently of each other and it seems very plausible. This means that there is no Near Eastern source that refers to the fall of Lydia, and with Herodotus failing us here chronologically, the date of 547 is simply based on nothing (the page read 546 here and there, but the traditional date is really 547, as the relevant articles all have; I have corrected this as well throughout the page). Neither do we know what happened to Cyrus, apart from what the Greek accounts tell us, but they do not agree. Anyway, I have changed the text of the page accordingly. Cheimoon (talk) 18:05, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Well supported editing. --Wetman (talk) 19:23, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. Cheimoon (talk) 01:23, 20 May 2008 (UTC)