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[edit] No external links to discussion forums, please

I have removed external links to discussion forums as they are a violation of WP:EL. -- MakeChooChooGoNow 08:36, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

All power to your elbow. -- Solipsist 12:46, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Interested in another project?

I have just started a new wiki at Craftacular.com. It runs on the same software as wikipedia, but the goal is a little different b.j. .

I am working to make it a central resource for all things related to crafts. A central, on-line repositiory of patterns, techniques, tutorials, tip & tricks, etc that people can use as a resource. It will be a place that encourages opinions. I'm (obviously) just getting started, but I'm reaching out to crafters to ask them if they'd be willing to contribute some of their expertise or help me get the word out.

I appreciate any help that you can lend. It's going to take a lot more people than just myself to get this baby up to its full potential.

Also, please let me know if this comment is unwelcome. It's my understanding from reading wikipedia's rule/terms of use that this would be an appropriate place for a post like this. Thanks!

[edit] WikiProject?

I'm thinking about starting a WikiProject for Textile Arts that would include all the usual crafts (crochet, knitting, quilting, sewing, weaving, etc.) plus clothing and fashion design. We basically need to find 5 editors who are interested in contributing. A WikiProject would allow us to use tags to monitor the progress of our field, using the [[Mathbot assessments. We could also make common templates, info-boxes and whatnot, and it might draw other textile-enthusiasts to us. I'd be willing to get it off the ground, programming-wise; are people here interested in joining? Thanks! :) Willow 10:20, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Free Crochet Patterns

I am sorry I added a link to bevscountrycottage.com on your article. I really was not all that familiar with how the whole article creating thing went on here as I know others who just add stuff to articles all the time. I just wanted people to be aware of the humanitarian patterns I have on my site, as so many new people just 'find me' every day, and I have been online for many years.

I am thankful for your response to craftbits here, as that helped explain your reasoning in removing my link.

My site does have crochet AND knitting patterns, even a few cross stitch ones, as all are for helping people find free patterns to make to help those in need, so perhaps that is the problem, it isn't all crochet, but then neither is Martha's site as she has knitting things there too, so I was not understanding. I realize charity crafting is not the purpose of your article, it is merely a 'crochet' definition, history and so forth article. Sorry to have caused you to have to remove my info, I had no idea. Bevqual 15:28, 29 June 2007 (UTC)Bev Q


About Craftbits.com Crochet section: I am dismayed that our link is repeatedly removed from the free crochet patterns section. Our site has all the criteria to be included along with the other links in this section. I would like to understand why it is removed, when Martha's Crochet and Craft Links can be kept. What makes that link different to ours? It seems arbitrary and indiscriminate based on the user who is maintaining this page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.102.0.178 (talk • contribs)

I am all for removing all the external links on this page, except perhaps for one tutorial site. Your link to Craftbits was removed because it was repeatedly inserted into the links section without any reasoning or explanation, thus appearing to be a spammer. The three free pattern links were already there (and many, many more links) when I started contributing to this page. I went through all of the links and tried to keep the ones that were understandable, easy to access, and in the case of the free pattern tutorials, offered more free patterns than patterns for sale. For more information on your particular situation, please see WP:EL#Advertising_and_conflicts_of_interest. --Lmblackjack21 09:04, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
"I went through all of the links and tried to keep the ones that were understandable, easy to access, and in the case of the free pattern tutorials, offered more free patterns than patterns for sale."

We have no patterns for sale! All patterns are free and are easy to access (you don't have to become a member!). Look, just because we have advertising on our page, we shouldn't be excluded, even though we classify on all other counts and are the best and the most extensive site there is. This is hardly fair applications of the rules. If you want to keep a section with a header of Free Crochet Patterns, I challenge you to find a more comprehensive site than ours. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.171.83.30 (talk) 09:02, 2 March 2007 (UTC).

I am aghast at the discrimination against our site (Craftbits.com)! If you look at all the links in the external links section, they are all to sites that have advertising on them in one form or another. Our site provides extensive information, with free patterns and we are discriminated against because we were not the first ones to be here? I would like to find out what the process is for appealing our case to a higher authority. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.171.83.30 (talk • contribs)

Please see my response on your talk page. --Lmblackjack21 14:16, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
Ok, as per the discussion in my talk page, I would like a discussion on adding Craftbits.com's Crochet section in the Crochet page. Please provide reasons as to why it shouldn't be included. I have provided the reasons why it should be included. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 203.171.83.30 (talk) 02:26, 3 March 2007 (UTC).

I haven't got a response and it has been several days. I can only assume by your silence that you have no valid argument against our site. I have followed procedure, as suggested by you, and I will wait for a few more days before adding my site. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.102.0.178 (talk • contribs)


I host a video crochet tutorial channel on YouTube. I would like permission to post it on the external links. Thanks, Teresa —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tjw1963 (talk • contribs) 21:38, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] re: Craftbits

Sorry for the delay, I'm on vacation right now and just popped in to check Wikipedia. Here are my arguments for not including any more pattern sites to the page. According to WP:EL:

Some external links are welcome (see "What should be linked", below), but it is not Wikipedia's purpose to include a comprehensive list of external links related to each topic. (emphasis mine) No page should be linked from a Wikipedia article unless its inclusion is justified.

This applies to almost any pattern site, because they are basically extras to the article: they don't provide any sources to the article, and interested people can just Google them. Also, they add instability to the page, because many people will keep adding links because their website is related to the Wikipedia article. To be quite honest, my ideal link list would include only one or two tutorial sites.

My concerns about Craftbits in general: first, it's very graphics-heavy. I'm not sure how it displays in other browsers, but it's a little slow on Firefox. Next, unlike the other sites currently listed, this is not a purely crochet focused site. Googling "craftbits.com" reveals that the site is more popular when it comes to knitting (first result is the main site, second result is the knitting section) rather than crochet.

Don't get me wrong: I think it's a nice site, and there are some patterns I really would like to try. But I personally do not think that the addition of the Craftbits link contributes anything to the article, and as noted above, it is not Wikipedia's purpose to include a comprehensive list of external links related to each topic. I am not saying this against any personal vendetta against Craftbits, but I would really like to get this article fairly stable and into Good Article status in the future, and that will not happen if there isn't some sort of policy about pattern sites (which WP:EL does not seem to touch on).

I would really like to see what other editors think of this situation. --Lmblackjack21 09:28, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] First two paragraphs

Can we clean this up a bit?

"Crocheting, like knitting, consists of pulling loops through other loops with a crochet hook." Since when do knitters use crochet hooks?

"During the completion of a stitch there may be multiple loops on the hook. This method distinguishes crochet from other methods of fabric-making such as knitting, as it is composed entirely of loops made with a single hook and is only secured when the free end of the strand is pulled through the final loop." I'm a crocheter and even I can't make sense of this paragraph. Both crafts involve multiple loops on a hook or needle. The difference is knitters carry all their stitches on their needles, while crocheters carry only a single loop between stitches. Crocheters may have several loops on the needle while working a stitch, but when it's completed they are back to a single loop. 204.120.207.2 13:38, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Take a look now--is that a little better? (Any feedback is welcome!) --Lmblackjack21 13:59, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
Thanks, that looks a lot better. I noticed the reference to the 18th century lace manufacturer is gone. The only place I can find that is in the Happy Hookers book and I don't know where she heard it. I'll see what I can find. 204.120.207.2 19:36, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Craftacular.com.

I'm wondering why the editor(s) of this site allow the post linking to something called 'craftacular.com'. First, this link leads to a site that is clearly commercial. Second, there is nothing on the linked site related to the writer's stated purpose. jdJdwln (talk) 06:50, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Most valued review of best crochet work image on Commons

There is an ongoing review of the most valuable image on Commons relating to crochet work in case any of the article editors here would be interested in joining the review. -- Slaunger (talk) 09:42, 5 June 2008 (UTC)