Talk:Croatian Air Force and Defense
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 |
This article is within the scope of the Military history WikiProject. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the project and see lists of open tasks and regional and topical task forces. To use this banner, please see the full instructions. | ||||||||||||
| Start | This article has been rated as Start-Class on the quality scale. | ||||||||||||
|
|||||||||||||
Contents |
[edit] Croatian Air Force and Defense
There is no such organization in Croatia, it is either Croatian Air Force and Air Defense or Croatian Air Force.
Hrvatsko Ratno Zrakoplostvo means Croatian Air Forces. Change it, thanx Mic of orion (talk) 14:00, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
PS, this page needs bit of grammar work and updating a bit. Mic of orion (talk) 14:25, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Mig21 immage posted on wiki of Croatian Airforce.
Mic of orion 16:39, 25 April 2007 (UTC)Mic of orionMic of orion 16:39, 25 April 2007 (UTC) Can anyone see this image ?
Someone somehow put Mig-21. Image name is MiG21 HR.jpg --Dtomcro 18:14, 25 April 2007 (UTC) [1]
[edit] Procurement Plans Accuracy
The Croatian Ministry of Defence (MORH , www.morh.hr for links to certain relevant documents) reports the proposed accquisition of 5 Zlin 142 basic trainers in 2007. There is no official record (or independent as far as I can find) of 2 Zlin 242L aircraft having been delivered to the HRZ during 2006, nor of an existing order for an additional 4 such aircraft.
The modernization programme extends the service-life of Croatia's An-32s until at least 2015 (probably 2020) and since this is continuing, I would suggest that this undermines the reports of the accquisition of 3-5 large transport aircraft (again not officially recorded in MORH documents). Speculation on the expansion of the transport fleet by 1-2 aircraft may be reasonable, but any further procurements would not be financially viable.
Neither is their any official record of plans to create a capable ASW helicopter fleet nor do funds exist for a significant expansion of this.
The statement about the procurement of 4-8 corvettes from France has no foundation in MORH policy, and all independent records suggest that any procurement would be from Sweden (Goteborg class) rather than France. There is an MORH plan to create an off-shore patrol force (project beginning 2009), but whether advanced ships like the Goteborg class fall into this category (particularly considering financial constraints and plans to reduce the HRM's RBS-15 SSM arsenal) is debatable.
The MORH does not make any suggestion of an expansion to the CL-415 fleet.
It should be noted that most of these objections to the article are raised from the absence of official Croatian government documents on the procurement plans and impossibilities raised by financial considerations over the current 2006-2015 procurement period.
KPThaller 11:57, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
Hi KPThaler,
Unfortunately no info on Zlin until they were actually delivered, it was reported by Croatian TV and Croatian MOD can verify the delivery. Air Force has plans to replace all its UTVA-75 with Zlin242L by the end of the decade, not sure are they going to replace one for one basis, but it looks most likely the case.
As to transport aircraft, yep it is not really clear what Croatia aims to buy, although 2 An32B are good aircraft, they are inadequate for Croatian needs.
CN295 where in contention, Flight International stated that unnamed Croatian MOD official stated that 5xCN295 are being sought. I don't know how much CN295 costs (I assume to be in region of 25-30 million per aircraft) we are talking major funds, considering the inevitable purchase of 14 JAS39 (if Grippen wins) this is 700 million euros out of the window.
As to helicopters, Croatia intends to procure additional helicopters, current fleet is very old and inadequate, with the deliver of 10 new Mil 171sh, Croatia will field 40 helicopters that are in flying condition.
Croatia needs about 30-40 more helicopters, but when and how they going to get them is beyond me. 4-6 ASW helicopters are only option if Croatia goes ahead with the purchase of 4 new Corvettes as stated in defense white paper.
Croatia plans no other ASW assets, no submarines either. 15-20 billion Kuna has been set aside to for procurement of new equipment over next 7-8 years. Navy is to receive around 3 billion, Air Force - 7 billion and Army 5 billion, but additional funds might be available after 2010.
Croatian aim is to bring armed forces to NATO standard by 2015.Mic of orion
Someone posted information about Croatian AF getting F35's along with the JAS 39 C/D, this is not accurate, Croatian AF won't be getting any F35's, aircraft are deemed to expensive. Croatian AF might get E/F version of JAS 39 as Sweden is currently looking to offer enhanced version of JAS 39 to potential customers, Denmark, Norway and Croatia, but only if there is a interest for that particular version. Mic of orion
[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Hrm.jpg
Image:Hrm.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. Using one of the templates at Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to insure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.
If there is other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page. Note that any fair use images uploaded after 4 May, 2006, and lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you.
BetacommandBot 01:50, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Hkov.jpg
Image:Hkov.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. Using one of the templates at Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to insure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.
If there is other fair use media, consider checking that you have specified the fair use rationale on the other images used on this page. Note that any fair use images uploaded after 4 May, 2006, and lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you.
BetacommandBot 10:07, 7 November 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Numbers of Mig 21
In the official page,Croatian air force have 24 mig and not 12. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 190.172.251.123 (talk) 20:54, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Mirage F1 and Mirage 2000
Are you sure they are proposed? These are not produced anymore so how can have they been proposed? Matthieu (talk) 11:31, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
