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[edit] Your recent massive edits to the Lake Merritt article

I'm leaving this note with you since you're the author of those gargantuan edits that have bloated that one section of the article, on the lakeside development, way out of proportion to the rest of the article. It needs to be cut down to size badly.

Rather than hack away at it myself, or have others do it, I'm inviting you to do a lot of judicious pruning on it, since you wrote most (all?) of that material. Another thing: I notice you have a lot of redundant references in there (as well as waaaay too many references for a section of that size overall). Perhaps you don't know how to use "named" references: if you want to use the same reference in more than one place, the first time you'd put it in like so:

<ref name=xyz>{{cite xxx ... }}</ref>

and for each subsequent cite of the same reference, simply use

<ref name=xyz/>

Makes the references much cleaner.

+ILike2BeAnonymous (talk) 06:48, 13 February 2008 (UTC)


Reply to above: My recent "massive edits" to the Lake Merritt article concern a current event and deal with living persons, and there are many details to the planning process and significant facts that underly how we reached the point we have with this development and general environmental impacts of a skyscraper of this magnitude. Nonetheless, I will try my best to pair it down a bit for relevancy, such as removing the Willie Brown section at the end, and maybe a few other points.Critical Chris (talk) 07:34, 13 February 2008 (UTC)


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Howdy there robot, listen up c3PO, it's an historical photo from several years ago from a vantage point that no longer exists and is not easily reproduceable and I believe it does qualify as fair use of a historic photograph.Critical Chris (talk) 04:21, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] BLP/N report on Willie Brown article

Hi. You've chosen to insert the material to which I was objecting a third time rather than taking my invitation to discuss it on the talk page. I don't want to edit war over this, so I've filed a report at WP:BLP/N#Willie Brown (politician) to invite a wider review. This is a courtesy notice. Cheers, Wikidemo (talk) 10:40, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

BTW, I rated a couple articles you were working on for the San Francisco Bay Area project - not harassing you here, just noting that you have an interest in Bay Area articles. In case you don't know already, if you see one without a tag in the talk page, you can add one of the form {{SFBAProject|class=|importance=}} and that helps identify and organize the articles. Although the ratings aren't all that important or precisethe project page has a discussion of what qualifies for stub, start, and B articles, and low, mid, high, and top importance - that way, people looking for something to do can devote attention to important articles that are still at stub class. Wikidemo (talk) 10:52, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] AGF and NPA

Notice - this edit would appear to violate the WP:AGF and WP:NPA by accusing me of having an ethical problem, being a suspected publicist for Willie Brown, disguising my "true motives", and having a "transparent" game. With the support of other editors I have reverted your attempt to add biased content to one article, and called out some of the exact same content on a new article. Please do not make personal attacks simply because you do not get your way. Wikidemo (talk) 00:32, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

(From the Critical Mass Talk page...the full discourse)

Wikidemo, I have a serious question for you that I believe you should confirm or deny in the interest of ethics and possibly Wikipedia Policy if I can find one: Are you Willie Brown's publicist, or part of his publicist team? You seem to have taken a strong protective ownership of the Wilie Brown article making "ownership" statements on the discussion page there such as: "you need to slow down" this smacks of frowned upon ownership statements as per Wikipedia:Ownership of articles. Now you seem to be highly concerned about critical material on him here on this Critical Mass article. You also have a sudden interest in editing this article and possibly to disguise your true motives, you're attacking all the material here, and not just the Willie Brown stuff. If this is the case, your game is very transparent to me. If it's not the case, you'll have no problem denying it, right? ...and working constructively to avoid POV statements such as those that you've made on the Willie Brown article and talk page such as "Critical Mass -blocks- traffic" treating it as fact and foregone conclusion.Critical Chris (talk) 00:14, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
I will not answer your question. You have been singlemindedly and persistently adding inappropriate content to the Willie Brown article. Because I was interested in finding more information and sources about the "corking" method of blocking traffic I reread this article (this article has some good stuff on that), only to find that the same exact material had recently been added here. This kind of effort to slant articles to an extremist position, and make personal attacks when you do not get your way, is antithetical to the building of an encyclopedia. I'll give you an WP:AGF / WP:NPA notice on your talk page momentarily. Wikidemo (talk) 00:27, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
Wikidemo, I haven't accused you of being on Willie Brown's publicist team, just as you asked me If I'm involved with Critical Mass on the Willie Brown talk page, I'm asking you, again, are you his publicist. I think this is a perfectly responsible question per WP:Conflict of Interest policy. This doesn't automatically disqualify you from editing the article, but it does beg the question since he just released an autobiography 2 weeks ago. Please note, I've assumed good faith for the past few weeks. Extremist is a harsh indictment of my edits, they are all well sourced from mainstream news periodicals such as the New York Times, the San Francisco Chronicle, PBS Newshour, Time Magazine. If you think market-based congestion pricing of center city road use is extreme, you should take a look at Michael Bloomberg's platforms and George W. Bush's Transportation Secretary Mary Peters' public statements on this topic.Critical Chris (talk) 01:55, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
Wikidemo, I'm taking a few days off of editing the body of articles to collect my thoughts. You seem very frustrated by my WP:COI conflict of interest question, whether you have a conflict of interest with Willie Brown and the Willie Brown article. As much as you resent it and see it as a personal attack, that's not my intention. My apologies if you see it as such. My intention is not to cause undue stress or frustration for you. However, I stand by my position that it's a responsible question. My intention is to see you affirm or deny the question so that, in the spirit of WP:COI we can all collectively make constructive, fully informed edits. I believe it's only fair and responsible for me to ask, given that you asked me if I ride with Critical Mass. For the record, yes I have done a critical mass ride or two in my time. Given that association, I will continue to collectively construct and improve content with others here on Wikipedia.Critical Chris (talk) 02:09, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
Please mind your own editing and do not try to pin motivations or mental states on me for holding the line on policy. I asked you whether you had anything to do with critical mass because you repeatedly inserted POV content into two articles having to do with a critical mass event under the user name is "Critical Chris." An entirely fair question under the circumstances. You said no, so I will accept that at face value and leave it at that. You have zero basis for your admittedly tit-for-tat accusations that I am Willie Brown's publicist and all that other stuff. Whether you backpedal or having done it or not, it's an AGF and NPA problem. No stress at all, I'm just not going to play that game. Wikidemo (talk) 02:23, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
You asked me: "By the way, may I infer from your "Critical Chris" wiki name that you are somehow connected with the Critical Mass rides?" Wikidemo (talk) 10:20, 19 February 2008 (UTC) ...my answer: "...the "Critical" in "Critical Chris" refers to critical thinking, not Critical Mass." That's if you're asking me what's-in-a-name? If whether I'm "connected with the rides?" I have gone out on some Critical Mass rides in my day, if that's what you're wondering. If that makes me "connected" perhaps it's a conflict of interest quite possibly, and if so, perhaps I should recuse myself from editing this article. I need to review Wikipedia WP:COI policy in further detail. Keep in mind Critical Mass has no leadership structure, and the rides are non-hierarchical. It's not a "club." There are no dues, no grants, no offices, no official website, no centralization, no structure, no organization...other than a group of cyclists showing up at 6pm and riding together. I don't represent or speak for CM, anymore than you would if you came out on a CM ride, dig? Please understand, I'm not accusing you of anything. Given the circumstances of your -apparent- sense of ownership over the Willie Brown article, I'm asking you to disclose whether you are "connected with" Brown's publicist team. No one has a gun to your head, you are not in front of a Grand Jury, this is not a deposition. This is my own (possibly silly...possibly important)ethics inquiry. In terms of you and your edits, I can only assume, a good faith independence of Brown's interests on your part, that you are not beholden to Brown's interests, that you are denying my interrogatory, and are not part of Brown's publicist team, absent your answer in the affirmative. Is it fair to say that's "assuming good faith?"Critical Chris (talk) 17:57, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] February 2008

Hi, the recent edit you made to Talk:Downtown Oakland has been reverted, as it appears to be unconstructive. Use the sandbox for testing; if you believe the edit was constructive, ensure that you provide an informative edit summary. You may also wish to read the introduction to editing. Thanks. CWii(Talk|Contribs) 18:29, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

It looked like advertising. and second it was a copy-vio. CWii(Talk|Contribs) 18:50, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

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Hey guy, that "copyrighted" website to which you're referring is an open source public record link to the City of Oakland California's website. It is not copyright infringement. Please don't mis-characterize my links.Critical Chris (talk) 18:54, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
Hey man, this edit had copyrighted text in it. CWii(Talk|Contribs) 18:58, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
Hey, I'm no patent and trademark attorney, but that was a government website with open source public policy information, none of which is privileged or protected by copyright laws.Critical Chris (talk) 19:01, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
Since there is no copyright info status it is automatically copyrighted. would you like a third opinion? CWii(Talk|Contribs) 19:08, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
Sure, why not guy, it could be educational to me. Have your --objective-- 3rd opinion selectee leave his here.Critical Chris (talk) 19:27, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
Hello Critical Chris. I was asked to offer a third opinion. See here for the specific guideline about Government Websites. In fact Federal sites are Copyright free, but not the majority of state one's. So I hope that clears things up. You could ask them for permission to use that text. DJ Barney (talk) 20:18, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

The website that you copied from, [1], has a copyright notice at the bottom of the page. - Rjd0060 (talk) 19:34, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

It was a notice of a public hearing...open to the public and broadcast on KTOP=TV Oakland, CA and as I said before, I'm not a PT attorney, and don't know all the applicable state statutes here in CA, such as the Brown Act. Yet I'm shocked that I would need permission to repost notice of a public government hearing. To settle this, I just won't include it in the discussion page.Critical Chris (talk) 01:52, 24 February 2008 (UTC)