Talk:Cringe comedy
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The stand-ups featured on this website are effectively censored from being allowed exposure to a wider audience, in furtherance of free speech I thought the noting of a website that promotes the awareness of such performers was worthy of an entry in wikipedia. If this article is to be deleted from wikipedia.. can the administartor who is doing so please explain to me the difference between this article and say the article on the 'bunny theater'[[1]] that is featured in wikipedia. If the differences that make 'bunny theater' an acceptable article and my 'cringe humor' an unacceptable article are explained to me then I can make the relevant changes to 'cringe humour' article so that I complies with wikipedia's guidelines. Thenk you veddy much. Dirk Diggler Jnr 20:16, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
- Please try to prove that the page meets the notability guidelines for websites. Thank you, Kusma (討論) 22:32, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
- Yep. The article needs to explain why the site is notable. The Angry Alien article mentions deals with a nationwide cable channel and inclusion on the DVD of one of the best selling movies of all time. It's also a pretty popular internet phenomenon: comparing Alexa rankings for Angry Alien and Cringe Humor the ranks are 14,398 vs 319,170; perhaps 30 times as many people visit Angry Alien. Not that traffic is everything, but it's useful data. Also see WP:VANITY and WP:NOT for why this isn't a good place to advertise something. Hoping that helps, --William Pietri 22:55, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
Regarding the WP:VANITY mention, I am not remotely connected or affiliated with the 'Cringe humor' website nor am I related to any of it's operators or featured guests in marital, bloodline, sexualized or casual acquaintance manner.
I feel 'Cringe humor' deserves an entry in this growing encyclopedia for the following reasons;
- it is a website which encourages free speech and promotes art that is effectively censored and/or banned from national exposure. This alone is notable.
- the fact that this same encyclopedia features biographical entries for at least half a dozen of the more recent comedians who are featured at the 'Cringe humor' site.
- also, wikipedia features articles on all ten of the comedians who are presently listed in CH's Legends of comedy page. However, CH's bios for these individuals are superior to wikipedia's entries in length and detail.. (Bill Hicks' bio for example at CH has quite a bit more detail than Hicks at wiki)
- Therefore making CH an ideal site to cross reference information from wikipedia entries that are presented as fact with the bio entries for the above 18+ or so individuals.
- the site 'Cringe humor' is already spoken of and linked to in several other wikipedia entries.
I dont really see the sense or logic in speaking about this website (CH) in other wikpedia entries and even linking to CH in other wikipedia entries.. yet regarding this same website (that you dont mind speaking about or linking to) as being beneath a standard that deserves it's own entry.
Thanks for the example you have given with internet traffic regarding angry alien and cringe humor, but i am not buying into that at all. I believe just because something is popular doesnt necessarily mean it is good or notable (eg - CarrotTop, censorship) and conversely just because something isn't popular doesnt automatically mean it is is without worth. (eg - the Danish Mohammed cartoons, putting people before cash) To my mind, 'cringe humor' is exactly no more or less deserving a page at wikipedia than '30 second bunny theater' or 'the pirate bay' entries. But I'm done with the time I have wasted in typing these replies and in initially creating this page. Do what thou will. Dirk Diggler Jnr 00:25, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
- Thanks for being so amicable about this. A number of your points are excellent reasons why people should visit the site, but that a site is good doesn't mean it yet merits an article here. It's great that Wikipedia links to the site, but Wikipedia links to an awful lot of sites that don't meet WP:WEB. I agree with your comments about popularity and worth, but notability is different than (although often related to) either of those. Hopefully the quality of the site will make it popular, influential, important in comedy history, or otherwise notable, and when that happens, we should certainly have an article about it. Sorry you've put in a bunch of work on an article that appears to be not notable, but I hope that doesn't discourage you from keeping up your great record of contributions. --William Pietri 01:15, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
- Oh, and the WP:VANITY bit wasn't meant personally; it just points out that Wikipedia is a bad way to promote a site. People find articles here mainly by searching. --William Pietri 01:17, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
- oh no prob, i didnt take it personally at all.. just saying that it really doesnt apply in this case at all bro. Dirk Diggler Jnr 10:06, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] A new start
Delete this and then I or someone else can write a proper article in its place. See my article insult comedian for a template. - Richardcavell 03:36, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
- I created this 'improper' article, feel free to delete it and restart if you wish. The reason I stated for this article as being valid for wiki entry where not shared by others, so franjkly I'm not interested in putting in another ounce of energy. Speaking of ounces I have to go see a man now. Dirk Diggler Jnr 11:33, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Cringe Humor (external reference)
Radio Open Source recently did a show on exactly the topic of cringe humor. Guests: Mal Sharpe, Jesse Thorn, and Robert Thompson. Subject of discussion: Cringe Comedy, Coyle & Sharpe, Borat, Colbert Roasts Bush.
Radio Open Source is independently produced, and airs on American Public Radio. It is licensed under Creative Commons.
In the interests of full disclosure, I'm a producer with the show. I leave it to an admin to discern whether this should be included as a relevant reference. If this is the improper way to offer references, please let me know. Thanks, La Rue w. ROS 18:45, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
