Talk:Crimson Editor

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Articles for deletion This article was nominated for deletion on August 20, 2007. The result of the discussion was keep.

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[edit] My confusing edits

Just in case anyone is confused by my recent edit summary, I removed the Reviews section by mistake, when I intended to remove the Release history section. I've restored it now. Sorry about that. —gorgan_almighty 10:38, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Refimprove

I have removed the 'Refimprove' tag since it devalues a perfectly decent article. It should now remain out unless there is a consensus here that it is appropriate. Bridgeplayer 20:54, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm sorry but the references in this article are far from decent. WP:RS requires references that are independent of the subject at hand in order to assert notability. It also requires that all references are "authors or publications regarded as trustworthy or authoritative in relation to the subject at hand. Reliable publications are those with an established structure for fact-checking and editorial oversight.". Most of the references in this article do not fit that description.
  1. The download site reviews (which includes SnapFiles, Softpedia, and possibly Channel Web) are not known for reliable fact-checking and editorial oversight. They are also all-inclusive, having no requirement of notability for inclusion. So they are questionable sources at best, and certainly cannot be used to assert notability.
  2. The yahoo groups reference is completely unacceptable, as its a forum post, and therefore fails reliability and verifiability. A better news source for that announcement must be found, alternatively the paragraph could be reworded so that it doesn't need that citation.
  3. The jointtech.com reference is a bit of a mystery, but there's certainly no indication that it's a reliable source per the requirements of WP:RS.
  4. The "Emerald Editor" section is uncited, because a link to emeraldeditor.com is not a valid reference. That link link can be put into the "External links" section, but a different reliable secondary source reference must be found to cite the claims in the "Emerald Editor" section.
  5. That leaves us with two good secondary source references (Techtree and SpeedGuide), and a reference to the features page on crimsoneditor.com. The two good secondary sources are enough to assert notability, and are the only reason that this article will survive AfD. The features page on crimsoneditor.com is fine as a primary source reference for adding content to the article once notability has been established.
In short there are only 3 good references in this article, which have not been used to cite all of the claims in the article. So the article needs improved references, hence the {{refimprove}} tag.
—gorgan_almighty 11:28, 23 August 2007 (UTC)


  • I have given the article an overhaul in order to fix many of the problems I mentioned above, and to bring it in line with Wikipedia standards. There is now a "History" section, which starts when Crimson Editor was made open source. I think the history of this software deserves mention, because it was a closed-source project that later became open-source. It really needs another paragraph in there to talk about Crimson Editor before it became open source. I'll leave that to someone else who knows the history of the software better than I do. —gorgan_almighty 12:22, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Reviews section

I have replaced the 'Reviews' section. Removal of sourced material should not take place without consensus on here. I appreciate that you are unhappy with the quality of the sources but since there is no definitive list of reliable sources it is up to the reader to evaluate them. The issues have been highlighted so the section should remain in pending the formation of a consensus. Bridgeplayer 22:17, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Generally article editors should be bold and make the changes they deem to be necessary (unless there's already a consensus against those changes), knowing that their changes can be easily reverted if another editor disputes them. As for the reviews section, it's normal on wikipedia for such information to be incorporated into the rest of the article body (eg. in "Features" and "Criticism" sections), rather than summarising the reviews in a separate section. As I stated in my edit summary, this particular Reviews section contains a lot of overlap with the Features section, so it doesn't really add anything new to the article.
For example, look at these comparisons:
Features section: "Crimson Editor features ..."
Reviews section: "It has been highlighted that it has a good set of features ..."
Features section: "... syntax highlighting ..."
Reviews section: "... syntax highlighting for lots of formats ..."
Features section: "... direct editing of text files in FTP ..."
Reviews section: "... and includes integrated FTP."
—gorgan_almighty 13:20, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Unicode

Why does it say Crimson Editor supports unicode? It does not.
For example Windows Notepad does support unicode. If I load an UTF-8 or UTF-16 file that contains for example Arabic text, Notepad automatically displays it correctly. Notepad2 displays the Arabic text if I manually select a font that contains required character set, in this case for example MS Sans Serif. However Crimson Editor does not display the Arabic text even if I select MS Sans Serif font.
--PauliKL (talk) 16:11, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

You must tell Crimson Editor to open the file in UTF-8 each time. Crimson Editor does not detect an UTF-8 file automatically. --84.56.179.67 (talk) 17:25, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
How? There is no encoding options in file open dialog box. There is "Encoding type" option in "Document" menu. After I have loaded an UTF-8 document, the encoding type shows UTF-8, but the Arabic text is shown as "?????" even if I have selected MS Sans Serif font that support Arabic characters. Maybe Crimson Editor just converts Unicode to ANSI and any characters not available in ANSI charset are not displayed?
--PauliKL (talk) 20:13, 4 April 2008 (UTC)