Talk:Criminal justice
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[edit] Cleanup
I've understand this very clear tagged this page for cleanup because I believe that lots of information neeeds to be reformatted or removed. The style needs to be changed as well as taking emphasis off the colonial/American justice system, or at least explaining other systems of criminal justice.
- I concurred, and revamped the entire page. The last page had absolutely no sense of formatting nor any logical sequence that I could follow. It was very random and patchwork and had lots of different perspectives thrown in without any rhyme or reason. I tried to reorganize it, but it was pretty much unsalvageable. What I've replaced it with is a framework for a logical and well-organized article. Obviously, my contribution is only the basis from which this page will grow, but at least it offers some organized categories to work within. The old page was, let's face it, crap. 72.178.131.225 01:49, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
- What this article needs is a more objective, scientific, and thorough explanation of the various theories and components of criminal justice. I would like to see a discussion of the different theories for criminal behavior and a more thorough explanation of the different forms of police goals. I also need more well-defined examples of historical criminal justice practices. That, and citations.
- What this article DOES NOT need is lots of divergent or excessively detailed examples of criminal justice histories. This is what destroyed the old article. Everyone seemed to write highly detailed paragraphs that might have been perfectly fine but lacked a place in the overall organization of the article. It also does not need long lists of examples from every single country that do not contribute to our understanding of the subject. The last article had a list of "goals" for criminal justice from four or five different countries which all basically said the same thing and did nothing but take up space. If you want to post something that adds to our understanding of criminal justice as a whole, please post it. If you just want to throw in your two cents so that you can feel included, please don't.
- "Criminal Justice" is an enormous subject meant to cover the entire breadth of social law and order. I think this might actually be an example of when less means more. The subject of criminal justice itself might be too broad for a useful discussion. My alternative is that this page be used to provide a very general overview and to be a jumping-off point to investigating other, more specific, subjects. So if you want to post really detailed and excessively specific examples, it might be better to do so in a sub-article. 72.178.131.225 02:08, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
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- Many of your changes are good and being bold is encouraged. And, I agree that the article was a mess and needs work. However, removing material that is referenced should be discussed on the talk page. The article needs to include discussion of how criminal justice has evolved, in a few paragraphs, with a link to a detailed subarticle. The section on goals is important, because it brings in examples from various countries and helps to give a more international perspective to the article. Including an international perspective is extremely important. More examples (e.g. Islamic law) are needed and a general synthesis of how goals and criminal justice vary around the world. Theories of criminal behavior can be discussed in brief, but is done more in depth in the criminology (study of criminal behavior) article. Criminal justice is really about the system of law enforcement and processing of offenders/cases through the system. There are various ways that is (and has been) done, with different theories and philosophies guiding how things are done. This article needs to focus on the system and the process. --Aude (talk) 02:13, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
As made obvious in this article, entry level careers are available such as corrections officers or police officers, although there is no mention made of a highly educated person being able to find a career within the field that not only challenges them but forces them to use the education that they gained through undergraduate and even post-graduate studies. Such examples of this are becoming an attorney, accountant, or social worker, all of which require at the least an undergraduate degree to gain an understanding of each field.
I also feel that under the law heading, removing “usually enforced through a set of institutions” and give a more elaborate definition of the word law would better explain what law actually is. I would also include what these institutions could be or how one would go about ensuring that these laws are upheld to clear up any confusion that the reader might be feeling by the broadness of the sentence. Another improvement I feel to be somewhat necessary for this article would be to elaborate on the history section, specifically on the Criminal Justice systems of other countries. While in the United States, our main focus should be on our own Criminal Justice system, I feel that having somewhat of an incite to other countries systems would be rather helpful to anyone in the field given that the interaction with other countries systems could potentially occur.
The last major change I would choose to make to this article would to be to take the Modern Police heading and place it as a subdivision under Policing, and then take the History section and place it in the beginning of the article. I do not feel that the end of the article is an appropriate mention for the history of the field, and instead should be placed in the beginning of an article to give the reader some incite as to where each subdivision within the field is stemming from. I also feel that if there is a whole section dedicated for just Policing, that the Modern Police paragraph should be placed as a subdivision underneath that instead of thrown in at the end where it doesn’t logically fall into place. Nu student10 (talk) 16:35, 29 May 2008 (UTC)nu_student10 5/29/2008
[edit] Criminal History
I think this part of the article needs major expansion as it, at the moment, focuses primarily on the USA. Lets face it, crime existed a long time before the USA did, and it is important to take into consdireation the full development of crime from ancient periods to modern world-wide trends. alf 12:12, 27 September 2005 (UTC) Criminal justice is the profession of investigating crimes and doing police work.
[edit] Hammurabi's Code
Should the link to Hammurabi's Code be included in the 'See Also' section? After all, it is an important part of history of Criminal justice.--Martin925 01:02, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
[edit] WP:LEAD
What happened to the WP:LEAD from this article, from this version? Cirt (talk) 16:55, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
