Talk:Crimes and Misdemeanors

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Contents 1 Existentialism 2 Dostoevsky 3 Plot 4 Fair use rationale for Image:Crimes and misdemeanors2.jpg 5 Fair use rationale for Image:Crimes-and-misdemeanors.jpg 6 Film title

[edit] Existentialism

For a while now I've wanted to expand the Influences section with some information about the Existentialist philosophy in the movie. Although I think there are a lot of more subtle examples, this quote (from the film's imdb page) from the Professor Levy character really seems to sum it all up:

"We're all faced throughout our lives with agonizing decisions, moral choices. Some are on a grand scale, most of these choices are on lesser points. But we define ourselves by the choices we have made. We are, in fact, the sum total of our choices. Events unfold so unpredictably, so unfairly, Human happiness does not seem to be included in the design of creation. it is only we, with our capacity to love that give meaning to the indifferent universe. And yet, most human beings seem to have the ability to keep trying and even try to find joy from simple things, like their family, their work, and from the hope that future generations might understand more."

The only problem is that this is probably original research. I've tried to look for reviews or articles to support this, but most only casually discuss the philosophical aspect of the film. I should point out that Woody Allen is mentioned on the Existentialism page, as is Ingmar Bergman. What does everybody think about this? -- Gestrin 13:20, 9 September 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Dostoevsky

I'd like to address the reference to Dostoevsky's C&P. I am going to delete it because it is written by someone who has not read the book. It says that Raskolnikov confesses his crime in the streets and accepted God, he does no such thing at all. He confesses to a bureaucract in a police station and his specific reasons are unstated. Only in the epilogue does he read the raising of Lazarus from the Gospel of John, and that's where it ends. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.214.18.215 (talk) 17:19, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Plot

As far as the ending of the movie goes, Lester and Halley announce that they are engaged.

The part that reads, "This seemed to Cliff to be the move which finally made Halley fall in love with Lester," seems a bit off to me.

As far as a thesis to the movie, it's pretty clear cut that to maintain wealth and power, people can not have ideals. Those that cling to their ideals are diminished, such as Dolores losing her life, Cliff's losing both his wife and Halley, and Ben losing his eye site, while Judah preserves his life by abandoning his ideals, and Lester is not only a millionaire, but also gets Halley by having none. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jcordone (talk • contribs) 00:54, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Crimes and misdemeanors2.jpg

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BetacommandBot (talk) 20:05, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Crimes-and-misdemeanors.jpg

Image:Crimes-and-misdemeanors.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

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BetacommandBot (talk) 20:07, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Film title

Should there be a mention of the source of the title of the film, which seems to be the "high crimes and misdemeanors" clause of the U.S. Constitution dealing with impeaching federal officials[1]? — Loadmaster (talk) 22:29, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Actually, there is just as much to be claimed for "Crime and Punishment," by Dostoyevski, from whom much of the plot-premise and philosophical issues were taken, and "Cries and Whispers," the Ingmar Bergman film. I really don't think Allen is referencing the Constitutional phrase; it has nothing to do with the issues treated in this film. 66.108.4.183 (talk) 02:55, 2 March 2008 (UTC) Allen Roth