User talk:CrashMex

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[edit] Mersin or İçel

Welcome! I've been actively trying to help move articles to their correct native language designations. I just noticed that you changed [[Mersin Province|İçel]] the name of the "province" but commented that you "corrected the city name İçel".

Now the current version of Mersin Province says "Mersin (formerly named İçel)" and the current version of Mersin says "in 1933, Mersin and İçel provinces were joined to form the greater Mersin (İçel) province."

The official website is at http://www.mersin.gov.tr/ so somebody thinks that Mersin is somehow the official name. Let's talk here about it, and I'll watch here for clarification. We really need more Turkish involvement -- thank you!

--William Allen Simpson 18:18, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
In Turkey we call the province as İçel but the merkez ilçe central of the city is called Mersin, for example the order of traficc codes before zonguldak follow alphabetical order and İçel fits that but Mersin does not. For example Isparta's trafic code is 32, İçel's 33, İstanbul's 34.
Thanks
CrashMex 18:29, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
Also, this is a government page and a iller haritas, map of proviences. The provience name is İçel http://www.adli-sicil.gov.tr/TH2.htm
CrashMex 18:45, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

(The usual tradition is to keep the talk at one place for continuity, and "watch" the page during the discussion.) OK, I've moved it to İçel province and updated the template.

--William Allen Simpson 19:24, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
Sorry, I am a new user, I did not know that.
CrashMex 19:27, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
Some people forget to watch, or only watch for a few days. There's a "watch" preference, and I set it to default on.
--William Allen Simpson 20:12, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

And now it is better and correct, Thank you;

CrashMex 19:30, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
I'd be happy to work with you, doing the more complicated things like moving and updating templates, as you find others that need fixing. Just post here, and I'll watch this page. Thank you for proposing a solution to what has been a long-standing problem! (According to the link history, there are quite a few variations.)
--William Allen Simpson 20:12, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

"also called the central subprovince usually bears the same name as the province; the exceptions are Hatay (cap: Antakya), Kocaeli (cap: İzmit), and Sakarya (cap: Adapazarı)", I think we should add İçel to exceptions and maybe we can change the map, it writes Mersin. CrashMex 20:36, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] another new turkish speaker

please introduce yourself to User talk:Cretanforever.

--William Allen Simpson 20:17, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

ok, i told I speak Turkish, thanks for telling,

CrashMex 20:23, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

Çalışırız CrashMex:) Türkçe wiki'ye dahil misin? I am there more often. Where are you from? Ben İzmir'deyim.

[edit] Recognition of TRNC

I saw in your edit summary that Bangladesh recognizes TRNC. I had never heard of this before. It's not necessary, but if possible, could you provide a link that shows their recognition? Thanks. freestylefrappe 21:54, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

There's quite a few generally unrecognised states that have one or two backers supporting them - Nagorno-Karabakh being another good example. The only reason Western Sahara and Taiwan were split in the first place was because with more than twenty states recognising each, it wasn't really accurate to describe them as unrecognised. Ambi 10:32, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Antioch -> Antakya

Antioch is the historic article, Antakya is the "Modern" (usually 18th to 20th centuries). I moved your text to Antakya, which could use more work, please!

--William Allen Simpson 01:00, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Sisam - and hopefully more

Sir, as Flemish historian (we too have a continuing history of bad blood with our francophone 'compatriotes' within Belgium) I am quite impartial in the Greco-Turkish (alphabetical order!) rivalry.

But as a matter of principle, I must point out that, while I personally approve of mentioning historical names from the introductory paragraph, it is not necessarily 'nationalism' to limit the lead to the present official language(s), and in no way 'vandalism' to remove it there (even though I wouldn't). Using such emotional and rather abusive labels only leads to a rather wastefull edit war; anyway, the notices meant for people consulting the page history are not the plave for debates, those belong on the Talk pages coupled to both content artilces and User pages.

Since you seem to feel strongly about the Turkish forms, you may be interested in contributing -native speakers of languages with few Wikipedians are greatly needed there- to such specialised pages as List of European regions with alternative names - for example, Samos was absent from that page till I added it based on your contribution to Samos island; you may be able to add many other islands and regions in the Aegean, or -even better- wider cast in the vast former Ottoman empire. In cases where the use of alternative, presently not official names is debated, a reasonable comprise is to refer to such page after the official names.

By the way, could you inform me whether 'Sisam' is a modern form or was already in official use for some Ottoman unit (maybe a sanjak?), and possibly indicate a source (preferably on the web) for such matters? Fastifex 18:25, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] I would value your opinion on this

The recent ugly behavior of an editor in Istanbul Pogrom along with my fruitful collaborating with a Turkish editor on some articles have made me think if there is a way to deal with all this mutual suspicion among Greek and Turkish wikipedians. So I came up with the idea of a wikiProject where Greek and Turkish wikipedians work together assumming good faith and trying to overcome the said suspicion. I have written a draft of a proposal. I would greatly appreciate it if you would read it and comment on it. Could it be done? Is there any point in trying? Does it brake any wikipedia anti-cabal rules? Thank you in advance! -- Michalis Famelis 03:31, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Name of Bosporos I bridge

Merhaba CrashMex. You corrected name of Bosporos I bridge from Bogazici to Bogaz. But is the first not more common? See Bosporus Bridge and Boğaziçi Köprüsü on Vikipedi. Lambiam 05:52, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Aegean Islands

It was my absolute pleasure, Mex. Don't hesitate to let me know if there is something I may assist you with in the future! Sincerely, --Caponer 18:22, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Gr-Tr board

Hello! Are you still interested in the Greek and Turkish wikipedians board of cooperation? I think we have mustered enough people to get this started, but since it's been quite some time, it would be nice to have a confirmation by the people who have shown interest, before going official. Please leave a note (affrimative or negative) in the proposed project talk page. --Michalis Famelis 16:55, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

[edit] AfD:Names of European cities in different languages

I notice you've contributed in the past to Names of European cities in different languages. There is a proposal to delete this article and the discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Names of European cities in different languages might intersted you. AjaxSmack 18:41, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Greek and TGreek and Turkish wikipedians board of cooperation proposal removed

Hello, I'm contacting you to let you know that I have withdrown the proposal for wikiproject Greek and Turkish wikipedians board of cooperation as so much time has passed in inaction, I am no longer interested in it and I don't have any time to spare for it. I regret to take this step unilateraly as there are some 16 people who had showed interest, but the whole thing has been inactive for too long in my opinion. Thanks for showing your initial interest anyway!! Keep up the good wiki-work! --Michalis Famelis (talk) 18:11, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Vandalism

Dear CrashMex, We have a difference in opinion on the way to present the lead paragraph of a Wikipedia article. I would suggest that you consult the article Wikipedia:Vandalism for a definition of vandalism. Also, please consult Wikipedia:Naming conventions (geographic names). I can assure you that I did this edit in good faith and I did not intend to compromise the integrity of the encyclopedia. Sincerely,   Andreas   (T) 15:01, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

I agree that Turkish names should be added to some Greek places, see for example my edit here: [1]. Only in the case of Kavala, the names are identical.   Andreas   (T) 15:31, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Names of European cities in different languages

Hi, CrashMex. I've seen your recent edit on the Names of European cities in different languages article. Could you please check that there is a consensus on the talk page of the article (mainly under Cities outside Europe) regarding the criteria to include cities in the list. The summary of the consensus is: "the criterion should be the geographical location of the city itself, without regard to the host country". Another way to put is to say that the list lists cities geographically in Europe, not cities of European countries. And this leaves the cities residing in the Asian part of Turkey and the cities in whole Cyprus out and within the scope of the sister list Names of Asian cities in different languages. Please do not go into a harsh revert war and try to join the discussion on the talk page if you do not agree with it. My personal idea is that it's good to have this clear criterion and it does make sense. I'm going to remove your additions because, Ankara, İzmir, İskenderun, Nicosia and the others you added are not on the European continent. Regards, Atilim Gunes Baydin 20:09, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

[edit] New EU-Turkey template

Good idea :)) Baristarim 09:55, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Deleted Template

Firstly, free speech doesn't apply to wikipedia. Secondly, the template fit the criteria for userbox deletion, as do all userboxes advocating one position or another. Sorry. --InShaneee 20:13, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Essentially, yes. There is no freedom of speech on wikipedia, period. We're here to write an encyclopedia, not soapbox our opinions. I simply deleted yours because I came across it yesterday. --InShaneee 20:20, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
I can't find the userbox you're talking about. And it's simply divisive because it advocates a certain position in a debate, and Wikipedia is not the place to do that. --InShaneee 20:32, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
Maybe so, but this still isn't the place to discuss it. --InShaneee 20:45, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
And regarding this, do know that if you recreate that template, you will be blocked for disruption, regardless of who you contact. --InShaneee 21:56, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
It's not a threat, it's a warning, and you can consider this one to be your last; any more disruption along these lines and you will be blocked. --InShaneee 14:55, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Political and contraversial userboxes on en.wikipedia

Hi, I noticed your mini dispute over a political userbox. I am here to explain a few issues you might not be aware of. On wikipedia it was decided that it was inaproporate to have userboxes with a political or religious mesage in them. I'll give an unrelated example and my involvement.

There used to be a Template:User independent Kurdistan which expressed support for an independent Kurdistan country. There were several like it in the past as well, all were speedydeleted. I nominated all of those for deletion myself. It is an extreme example I know but still a good one.

As far as my personal beliefs are concerned, I believe that EU has no future without accepting Turkey as a member state. Turkey joining the EU will likely be a milestone for the EU and for Turkey as well. However if any userbox is suggesting or implying any kind of support or opposition to Turkey's EU membership, I wouldn't hesitate a second to get it speedydeleted.

Contraversial, religious, and political userboxes are not allowed on wikipedia, regardless of their content. I can gladly discuss it further if you like.

--Cat out 15:09, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Ages of consent in Europe

Thanks for you addition to Ages of consent in Europe#Turkey. However you've added this information without a suitable legal citation. Uncited material on this page will probably be removed. --Monotonehell 15:09, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Cooperation board launched

A new (and overdue) Greek and Turkish cooperation and notification board has been launched here. Stop by, have a look and sound off! Cheers! Baristarim 07:19, 26 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Europe

Why do u think that Wikipedia should follow the UN classificationof the world regions? The United Nations is an IGO and I would argue that their geographic classicifations are wrong and worldatlas.com is a georgraphic web site, which is better in my opinion SosoMK 18:25, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Türkiye Portalı

Merhaba geçenlerde Türkiye Portalını seçkin portallara aday gösterdim Wikipedia:Featured portal candidates/Portal:Turkey/archive1. Fakat bir Vikiproje Türkiye üyesi dışında kimse oy kullanmadı. Gelen karşıt oylarla kabul edilmemiş oldu. Lütfen oyunuzu kullanın.--Absar 12:22, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Turkish-writer-stub

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[edit] Re: Turkish names of Greek Iocations

Dear CrashMex,

I don't have a very strong opinion either way, but first I'd like to explain why we have the Turkish names up there in the first place. Let's take Sisam for example. I can understand having the modern Turkish name if the island had a historic Turkish population, but I don't see any evidance that there was. According to the article:

The prosperity of the island pleaded for this arrangement. The population in 1900 was about 54,830, not comprising 15,000 natives of Samos inhabiting the adjoining coasts. The predominant religion is the Orthodox Greek, the metropolitan district including Samos and Icaria. In 1900 there were 634 foreigners on the island (523 Hellenes, 13 Germans, 29 French, 28 Austrians and 24 of other nationalities).

We have the Ottoman Turkish name (and the Latin transliteration for those who can't read the Arabic script) because the island used to be part of the Ottoman Empire. Turkish did not use the Latin script back then. Secondly, I'm pretty sure these names are spelled correctly. You can ask either Saposact or Xemxi to confirm this, as both of them can read Ottoman Turkish. They were the ones who added the names as well.

Sorry for my late response by the way. Khoikhoi 06:54, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Robert College has been nominated GA

Would you like to contribute to the nomination process or peer review the article? SEE: Robert College (edit|talk|history|links|watch|logs) --Maestro 10:41, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

[edit] About the placement of Turkish cinema in regions

Hi, I saw your move in the lists of films template. I did some searching to see what is practiced, but I am not sure there has been any standard practice, beyond having Turkey span both continents (which I hope you agree is true). I posted about it in WP Films and it was suggested that both Turkey and Russia (for which the same geographical dilemma exists) are placed both in the European and in the Asian regions (in the case of Turkey in "West Asia", which took us quite some discussion to adapt). How does this sound to you? Hoverfish Talk 15:28, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

One thing that would help, is if you can write a paragraph (or modify one) in Turkish cinema, to include what you say about it being either situated in or mainly sponsored by Istambul. The problem is that this has to be properly sourced (preferably including some English references). If you can do this, then it becomes clear to the reader and we can simply let Turkish cinema in Europe. Just make sure there is agreement between you and the other editors of the article. Hoverfish Talk 16:29, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Elections

I saw your recent revert at the TR pres elections article, so I just wanted to ask you what you would think about this: The War of Turkish Presidential Elections. I also left a note at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Turkey about it. Cheers! Baristarim 22:38, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

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