Talk:Crazy Horse Memorial
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Was Crazy Horse ever a chief? to my knowlage he wasn't, but was, and still is, a greatly respected person.
what a crazy plan...--84.191.141.65 23:51, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] Clarification
To clarify on the official status of Crazy Horse or as the Sioux people called him, Tashunka Witko; he was actually a great war chief as oppossed to a chief of a tribe, which I'm sure took many years to attain, if you lived that long. Crazy Horse died at age 27, Crazy Horse, war chief. Stabinator 00:09, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
- Correct, being shirted was his highest honor. Jolomo 00:59, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Expansion
Obsviously this article should be expanded, but the most pressing question I had after reading this article was, "Who's responsible for the memorial now?"
Who owns the land? Is their an official foundation or group heading/funding the project? What group/company is working on the memorial (if anyone is)?
None of that was answered reading the brief article there is now. We should read some of the information on the official site and include it in the article. Cybertooth85 23:23, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Huh?
What does the string of words the fact that the memorial is "unfinished" may also hold true for the belief that the project may never actually be completed at all mean? ➥the Epopt 19:28, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
- I personally visited this place in 1973, in 1987, and again in 1996. This is a massive undertaking, and frankly the man who originated it impresses me as crazy. He died in 1982, but his family is continuing this effort. Meanwhile, the project is still very far from being complete -- it is less than half complete, probably about 20% complete. This project was mostly the dream of one man, and that man has died. Will his family actually finish this, even though many people, especially Native Americans, are opposed? I think the answer is "no."
- That is the meaning that must have been intended by the rather confused phraseology that you quote. Paul 10:45, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
When I visited the area last year, some of the locals and those that supply the gift shop with products, said the memorial will never be completed because the rock is geologically unstable and any serious blasting will reduce it to rubble. It would be interesting to see any sound geologic data on it. (Kaddiedid 06:08, 9 July 2007 (UTC))
[edit] Private funding
The last time I saw the Crazy Horse Memorial I took the tour bus that went up to the base of the mountain. The driver had said that the reason Korczak Ziolkowski had never accepted any government money was that he was worried that the money would come with strings attached, and that the monument would not get completed the way he envisioned it.
JesseG 06:51, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Native American Perspective
I have attempted to give a fuller picture of what this memorial means to Native Americans by adding some perspective by traditional native elders who strongly oppose this memorial. It seems critical to me to include this perspective, since the memorial claims to be honoring many of the very people who feel insulted by it. They should be heard as well, in their own voices. I also changed the phrase about several Lakota Chiefs requesting the statue to the statement that Zoilkowski claimed to have procured such support. Russell Means, in his interview, stated that "Ziolkowski gathered up all those old chiefs and gave them each $100 and asked them to pose and smoke the pipe with him, so later he could claim that he got their approval." Most accounts of the memorial list only one cheif, who may or may not have been representing the views of his people as a whole. Whatever the truth is, it is more accurate to state that Zoilkowski claimed to have the support of these chiefs (and by implication, the Lakota people) instead of stating his claim as fact. Danrunyan 23:46, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
deleted by myself
"While Ziolkowski's motives may have been sincere" was changed to "While Lakota Chief Henry Standing Bear motives may have been sincere" As a Ute i think very highly of the place. I go there every year. Long after the indien is gone this memorial will show that we where here. And to any NDN who has a problem with the memorial I ask what have you done for your people? Dm2ortiz 21:37, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Hmm...
it says "If finished, it will be the world's largest sculpture." I think it should be "When finished" because they are intending on finishing it right? --68.188.86.144 (talk) 08:23, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
- It should continue to say "if," because their intentions do not guarantee that it will ever be finished. They've already been at it for almost 60 years, and it's still just a rough form. TJRC (talk) 16:10, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Opening section
I think the master sculptor Korczak Ziolkowski should be mentioned in the top section Theneogon (talk) 23:59, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
