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The logo

Ok, so the text says, "The aforementioned logo represented an amalgamation of several 'icons of authority' including the Christian Cross, the swastika and the Union Flag combined with a two headed snake consuming itself (to symbolise the idea that power will eventually destroy itself)." The source is an interview in 'New Crimes' fanzine, issue 3, winter 1980. The thing is, I do not and never have seen any indication of the Union Jack, nor of a swastika, except for perhaps elements of a bent swastika, and I have no way of looking at the original source material. I did however come across this altered Crass logo which appears to have been for the Sheep Farming in the Falklands single. The Union Jack is clearly present, and although I still don't see a clear swastika, the elements of a bent one still remain. Is there any way that interview was talking about this logo instead? Ungovernable ForceGot something to say? 09:00, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

No its definately the original Dave King logo that is being refered to, and these elements are definately there. This has been stated by Rimbaud and others in several fanzines and elsewhere, I'll see if i can find another more easily verifiable reference however quercus robur 17:09, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
That's ok. I trust you know what you're talking about on this one. Ungovernable ForceGot something to say? 01:53, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Rival Tribal Rebel Revels flexi

A small niggle ....wasn't the Toxic Graffiti zine spelt as I have rather than Graffity? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 89.241.48.92 (talk) 19:58, 8 February 2007 (UTC).

Here's a scan of the cover from the Southern website, which goes with the 'grafity' spelling [1] , however I don't think that Mike Diboll who produced the zine was too fussed about spelling, so it probably differed from issue to issue! quercus robur 20:17, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Infobox header

Well, the style recently seems to be to replace raw text headers on band infoboxes with stylised images of the band's logo/name as it appears on their official releases. Someone has just given Crass this treatment.

I think there's a problem in that they've chosen to use the entire crass logo, which is a big circle and just looks fucking wrong. I guess the thing to do would be to use the stencil text but not the whole logo. I'll get to that eventually, but if anyone else feels the need to comment, I thought I'd open it up. ~Switch t c g 04:13, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

I think it looks cluttered and quite ugly personally. Its also not a particularly well executed rendition of the Dave King Crass logo quercus robur 09:14, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
Well, I've replaed it with an image of just the stenilled text. It definitely suits better than the full logo. I'm in no way attahed to it though, so if anyone feels very strongly about it, they can remove the image. I never would have bothered if an image hadn't been plaed there to begin with. ~Switch t c g 12:58, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
That looks much better quercus robur 13:38, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Infobox header 2008

And now the style is NOT to allow band's logos in infobox headers, acording to the new WP rules in well hidden and ridiculously named pages like WP:FAIR and WP:MUSTARD. So I removed the usual CRASS stencil lettering and replaced it with a plain CRASS text. Which was then disapproved of too because "name should follow normal english capitalization rules, per WP:MOS". So now it's Crass. (I wish those in WP who spent their time nitpicking over such futilities would devote their energy to banning IP editing or something.)  Channel ®    10:52, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

Over-linked

I can't help but feel that the last edit has left this article over- linked, including to completely irrelevant articles, such as an album by a heavy metal band. Howeevr some of the new links are valid, but I personally havn't got time to sift through right now, doeas anybody else fancy taking a look?? quercus robur 08:37, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

  • I'll have a look at it. I also restored the 'references' and 'also of note' sections which had been completely cut up and partially deleted. (Vandalism?)  Channel ®    11:18, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Tatchergate

I changed the word 'samples' in a faked conversation using edited SAMPLES of Margaret Thatcher and Ronald Reagans' voices to 'recordings'. As in a faked conversation using edited RECORDINGS of....
Tatchergate was a classic cut-the-tape job, and to me the word 'samples' suggests use of computers or digital samplers. Which was not the case. However, English is not my first language so if I'm wrong, feel free to change it back.  Channel ®    22:45, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

LGBT rights?

What song(s) did they mention LGBT issues? I'm not saying they didn't, but I've actually wondered if they ever took a stand on that and never actually found any lyrics that seemed to support it, but I haven't extensively examined all their lyrics either. Ungovernable ForcePoll: Which religious text should I read? 09:00, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

1976 vs 1977

Guys, please, the band started in 1977. It's mentioned in Rimbaud's Shibboleth, in Berger's The Story Of Crass, and on a Crass Records album sleeve. Oh, and in a Crass CD booklet as well, I think. What more proof do you need? Please stop changing 77 into 76. It gets boring. And it's incorrect.  Channel ®    22:59, 7 December 2007 (UTC)