Talk:Craig Monroe
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[edit] Trivia
Items in the trivia section should be integrated or removed, click on the link and see what it leads to regarding trivia links. Please dont vandalize the page by blanking valid templates.74.204.40.46 23:08, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Protection
I've protected this page for a short while due to some edit conflicts. This specifically revolves around the controversy and no-hitter sections and the trivia tag. The no-hitter section is just silly and should stay out, all it says is that Verlander pitched a no-hitter, Monroe didn't help. It has almost nothing to do with him. The controversy section (which if kept needs a new name, a misdemeanor theft charge is hardly a controversy in Major League Baseball) is sourced and may actually be relevant. That is for consensus to decide. As for the trivia tag, either it should stay or the section should be removed or integrated into the article. It is trivia, it is a valid tag. Mr.Z-mantalk¢ 03:11, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
Only problem I have is the small trivia section which can be easily integrated into the body of the article, the relevant items that is. I don't know anything else that's going on with this article, just don't understand why the trivia tag put there in good faith keeps getting removed without an explanation. 74.204.40.46 05:44, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
I'd agree that the no-hitter section is completely irrelevant. I have edited back in several times, but I didn't mean to. The controversy section is cited and I think is also relevant. There are plenty of famous people who have been involved in crimes and it's mentioned on their page. As for the trivia section, I think it is also irrelevant. The fact he speaks English is pretty much assumed by anyone since he was born and raised in the United States. The fact that he speaks Spanish is somewhat interesting, but not all that important. The fact his cousin plays for the Bears isn't all that important either. Also, neither bit of trivia has been cited so I'm not even entirely sure they're accurate. Catbox 9 09:57, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
Yes but click on the link in the template. It says relevant trivia items should be integrated into the article and the trivia section removed. I am not arguing to remove the items, but to include them in the article like suggested in the template link. (though I do believe, in my opinion it is irrelevant)74.204.40.46 00:02, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
The fact about his cousin, if it is true is somewhat interesting and if cited should be kept. The language thing however should not. He was born and raised in the US, so English is no suprise and he plays in a sport with many Latin Americans, so Spanish is not all that suprising either. We seem to have consensus that the no-hitter section is pointless and that the trivia section should not exist as a separate section. The "Controversy" section I'm still not sure about. The salary info is relevant, but I'm not sure if the story is in USA Today because it was big news or because it was a slow news day. The article was published in December, after baseball season so they may have been trying to get whatever baseball news they could to fill a column. If it is kept, I would change the section name ("Controversy" makes it sound like he tested positive for steroids or was accused of murder) something like "Theft charge" or "2004 incident" (even that sounds a little too serious) would be better. I would also suggest trimming: Merge the first 2 sentences together; they are a little repetitive (leave without paying is the same as stealing). Combine sentences 3 & 4, while shortening 4 (too many unnecessary words). I would suggest something like:
- In December 2004, Monroe was arrested for trying to steal a $29.99 belt from a department store in Florida.[1] He was released on bond the same day and agreed to enter a diversion program to have the petty theft charge dropped. It is worth noting that Monroe's reported salary in 2004 was $335,000.[2]
The "diversion program" statement also needs a citation. Mr.Z-mantalk¢ 15:19, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
Here's a citation for the diversion program: http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baseball/al/tigers/2005-01-28-monroe-shoplifting-charge_x.htm Catbox 9 18:38, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
Well lets just expand the trivia section on the article to take up the entire article. This should be encyclopedic, not petty things about legal issues and who his cousin is. This is kind of pointless information that you would not find in an encyclopedia.74.204.40.46 02:40, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
I'm not so sure about the theft section anymore. He is an amazing player. The more I look around, the more it seems it is not very significant. As far as I can tell, it was mentioned in 8 actual news sources. It appears that it was picked up by wire services, but only USA Today, ESPN.com, and the Pittsburgh Tribune-Review took more than 2 sentences. Every other news source that covered it just had a blurb in a larger "Baseball news" or "Off the wire" column (the season was over when this happened). It does not even look like any Detroit paper mentioned it. Also, most of the articles were not published until days after the incident (It happened Dec. 3 according to this Wikipedia article, though I can find no source for that date, but no articles were published until at least Dec. 7). Most of my research leads me to believe that this does not belong in the article. Mr.Z-mantalk¢ 20:24, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
