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[edit] The Chinese Government needs to stop being evil

我强烈不同意中国政府和互联网的审查它法西斯主义的实践从它自己的人民。为那些您在中国之后伟大的防火墙，您能访问由中国的防火墙当前阻拦) 的boingboing.net (通过这个链接这里:

链接被翻译从英语到汉语

I strongly disagree with the Chinese govt. and its fascist practice of censorship of the internet from its own people. For those of you behind the great firewall of China, you can access boingboing.net (which is currently blocked by China's firewall) through this link here:

http://markchristian.org/projects/dbb/random.php


Thursday, April 20, 2006
Google in China: The Big Disconnect
Snip from an extensive feature by Clive Thompson in the NYT:

The small rooms were full of eager young Chinese men in hip sweatshirts clustered around enormous flat-panel monitors, debugging code for new Google projects. "The ideals that we uphold here are really just so important and noble," Lee told me. "How to build stuff that users like, and figure out how to make money later. And 'Don't Do Evil' " — he was referring to Google's bold motto, "Don't Be Evil" — "all of those things. I think I've always been an idealist in my heart."

Yet Google's conduct in China has in recent months seemed considerably less than idealistic. In January, a few months after Lee opened the Beijing office, the company announced it would be introducing a new version of its search engine for the Chinese market. To obey China's censorship laws, Google's representatives explained, the company had agreed to purge its search results of any Web sites disapproved of by the Chinese government, including Web sites promoting Falun Gong, a government-banned spiritual movement; sites promoting free speech in China; or any mention of the 1989 Tiananmen Square massacre. If you search for "Tibet" or "Falun Gong" most anywhere in the world on google.com, you'll find thousands of blog entries, news items and chat rooms on Chinese repression. Do the same search inside China on google.cn, and most, if not all, of these links will be gone. Google will have erased them completely.

http://www.boingboing.net/2006/04/20/google_in_china_the_.html


4/20/06 Heckler disrupts Chinese President Hu's speech on south lawn at White House: 'President Bush, stop him from killing'... 'Stop persecuting the Falun Gong,' she yelled... She also shouted in Chinese, 'President Hu, your days are numbered, No more time for China's ruling party'... woman was taken away by uniformed secret service officers... right after Bush urged Hu to allow Chinese to 'speak freely'... She also unfurled a yellow 'Falun Gong' banner... She had a temporary pass with a big 'T' on it...

On China TV: As Hu Jintao was speaking, as yells of protesters became audible, the screen went black. Feed then came back and once again went black when woman was once again audible. During CNN International's post-speech commentary, at mention of south lawn heckler, screen went black again... feed returned when topic was no longer being discussed...

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2006/04/20/D8H3Q6104.html

[edit] Neil Bush

Please stop the reverting of people trying to make the Neil Bush article better. It isn't vandalism, it's an attempt to come to some sort of concensus wording. BlazinBuggles 15:40, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

I've got to agree with BlazinBuggles: please try to assume good faith and not refer to those edits with which you simply disagree as vandalism.--67.101.67.197 15:47, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
I've read the Talk Page, have you? It's already been shown that this section belongs within the article according to wikiguidelines. I don't see an effort to make the article better, I see you going in and erasing huge chunks of a section without having consensus, policy, sources or good reasoning on your side. After the 10 millionth time or so this happens it's at that point beyond good faith and I'm going to call a vandal a vandal. Cowicide 15:58, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
Having read the talk page you are of course aware that both BlazinBuggles and I (and others) have made quite an effort to generate a compromise. You should also have noticed I have not made any recent edits to the article itself. I've noticed that some of those that have made edits that you have termed "vandalism" were actually not blind reverts but attempts at refactoring the wording. You may want to take another look.--67.101.67.197 17:18, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
I was referring to "both" of you since you tend to act as one unit. I took another look and continue to see massive "blanking" with very minimal "rewording" of the section as opposed to "refactoring of the wording" and what's that other good one you use...? "consensus wording"...? Hmmm... all that ROTWing and CWing looks strangely enough like blanking (a.k.a. vandalism). Look, you can try to redefine reality all you want through talking points that mean nothing and confuse people, but it won't work on me. You're not smart enough. Later. Cowicide 18:34, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
I humbly suggest you entertain the possibility that, given that several editors appear to "act as one unit," perhaps there is an alternative viewpoint which should be taken into account in good faith. Although I'll note that if you read talk carefully you will notice that I am perhaps best considered to be inbetween the positions of, on the one hand, BlazinBuggles, Shortcut.Road, Schlotzky, & co., and on the other hand, you, Wikipediatrix, & (I think based on edits, because this user hasn't commented in talk), CharoletteWeb.--67.101.67.197 18:47, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
As long as the vandalism stops, I have no problem with alternative viewpoints and productive editing. We're never going to all agree on everything, but that's the nature of wikipedia. We need to come to a reasonable compromise instead of the nasty deletions of almost the entire section that's going on right now. Cowicide 19:27, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Please be civil

I know you don't know me, but your comment about "my occular" was quite hurtful. I do have considerable vision limitations, but my reading and comprehension is still very good. AuntEthel 15:23, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Please get real, you just created your "account" and the only thing you've been able to "focus" on since is the Neil Bush article and the biased harrassment of those who think the Boris section belongs there. You are very obviously a sockpuppet afraid to show your IP address range. If you have any further issues with me, take it up with an administrator and see if they'll help a sockpuppet. They won't, but you are welcome to try. AuntEthel, I wish you luck with your occular challenges. Cowicide 15:34, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Civility, POV tags

It is considered very bad form to remove a POV tag added by another editor (Schlotzman on the Neil Bush article), *especially* when the editor who added it is not yet satisified and is actively participating in discussion. Also, please assume good faith and don't accuse other users (AuntEthel) of being sockpuppets.--67.101.66.89 16:17, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

There was no disinterested 3rd party and consensus to add the POV tag so it has been removed until it's inserted properly. The neutrality issue has been resolved as far as I'm concerned. If you don't think that I can remove the POV tag because I'm not a disinterested 3rd party and haven't reached consensus then you must agree that it shouldn't have been added in the first place. You're locked into a catch-22. You have to either admit that an editor embroiled in the dispute without consensus shouldn't add the POV tag in the first place or you have to agree that I can remove it.
And...don't worry, we'll get a checkuser of all you guys and we'll see for sure who is the sockpuppets or not. Also, once again... we need a disinterested 3rd party to add the POV tag, not someone who uses it as a weapon in their "battle". I stand by my removal of the POV tag and will gladly stand by its addition by a DISINTERESTED 3rd party... not suspected sockpuppets and others who have been embroiled in this dispute. Is that civil enough for you/aunty/sockpuppets/whatever? Cowicide 16:47, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
67.101.66.89, BTW... speaking of single-purpose accounts and sock-puppets... I find it interesting that you, like Aunty... just appeared out of "nowhere" on Wikipedia and are suddenly full of insights into the dispute. Wow... you're amazing. How come you haven't used all that insight to edit anything anywhere else? Seems like almost all your small amount of effort at Wikipedia simply goes into one small section of one article's Talk page in regards to one small issue. I'll give you one thing... you're very focused... kind of like a focus group who pushes POV on behalf of others, but that's not you... right? You just so happened... heh... I'll stop here... you get the point. Welp, I'm going to put on my socks, get dressed and head out to work. Have a nice day. Cowicide 17:07, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
Well, I generally submit to answering this sort of personal attack about once a year, (some advice: normally the best response is to ignore it), but I haven't for 2006, so I'll give you the 2006 answer: I have been editing on wikipedia since 2002. While there are certainly some uses for using a login, I choose to not make one for several reasons, among which are the desire to avoid getting overly addicted. It's been a convenient situation that IPs have been further limited over the years - I don't have to feel obligated to start new articles or create new redirects, for instance. I also have made this choice due to certain beliefs on what the wikipedia community should be like. Among other things, I think day to day editors should have their edits and comments taken on the merits of their comments/edits, rather than what their edit count is, etc. For instance, while I certainly understand the valid opposing arguements, I think it'd be interesting to wipe out the ability for non-admins to see a user's edit history. I have indeed edited more articles than this one, on a wide range of subjects, although mainly trees, geology, and American cities. I will confess to following this article and several related ones (Pierce Bush, Ignite!) closely as I find them interesting and often the subject of occasional odd edit campaigns. I like to make sure I have a new DHCP IP every month or so, but one day I'll run out of new ones on the 67.101 subnet I suppose.--67.101.66.89 23:02, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
You forgot to mention your other side benefit... no accountability. Cowicide 23:15, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
IPs are users too, isn't that what you said?— DædαlusT@lk / Improve 20:14, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
Wow, stalking me on my talk page is not enough, now you are going to interject youself in years old conversations you (apparently) had nothing to do with? Ah, trying to pull my words out of context, are you? Pretty slimey... but it's only a nice try. IPs ARE, indeed, users too... but not when they are sockpuppets. That was the problem in this case. Since you seem to have limitless amounts of free time, you should look into it further and then you might realize what an ass you just made out of yourself. LOL. I wonder... if you were one of the sockspuppets that got burned and this is your revenge? LOL, if so... LOL Cowicide (talk) 21:33, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Talk: Neil Bush

This is just an online encyclopedia you edit for a hobby, eh? Chill. JChap2007 23:45, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Just tell the hunnybunnies to be cool and everything will be all right. ya dig? Cowicide 02:01, 11 November 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Neil Bush mediation

Here's a heads up that you will want to comment here. --67.101.67.107 13:54, 14 November 2006 (UTC)


[edit] Copyright issue with Amazon Watch

Hello. Concerning your contribution, Amazon Watch, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from either web sites or printed material. This article or image appears to be a direct copy from http://amazonwatch.org/about_us/. As a copyright violation, Amazon Watch appears to qualify for speedy deletion under the speedy deletion criteria. Amazon Watch has been tagged for deletion, and may have been deleted by the time you see this message. For text material, please consider rewriting the content and citing the source, provided that it is credible.

If you believe that the article or image is not a copyright violation or if you have permission from the copyright holder to release the content freely under the GFDL, you can comment to that effect on Talk:Amazon Watch. If the article or image has already been deleted, but you have a proper release, you can reenter the content at Amazon Watch, after describing the release on the talk page. However, for text content, you may want to consider rewriting the content in your own words. Thank you, and please feel free to continue contributing to Wikipedia. BuddingJournalist 11:19, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] wikinews ticker

[leaving this here, a you seem more active here]

This is sorta related to the wikinews ticker, so I thought you may be interested. See n:Wikinews:Water_cooler#WikiNews_Widget. Bawolff 06:33, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Emo_(slang) move

Hi, I saw you participated in this discussion on whether the article should be removed. Now we are discussing whether it should be moved. The discussion is mostly me and one other editor, and I think we are hitting deadlock time and again. I am not asking you to informally mediate, but another opion would be nice.

[edit] The Andy Griffith Show

The actor who first played Floyd Lawson was replaced by someone else. Then, the way I read it, they decided to make it more plausible by having the second actor say he was the first Floyd's son instead. Clarityfiend 03:50, 27 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Hello.

You have in someways agreed to my comment that I made on the talk page of article Blackwater. It seems like you were joking, but just to make sure. Do you believe in conspiracy theory (I assume you already know what it is)? If so, would you mind joining me? Xia Xia.Amphitere —Preceding signed but undated comment was added at 16:31, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Hi there Cowicide 11:55, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Resolution?

I've been thinking on this in my head since my last edit. What if I just left the section for now, and we worked on moving small sections at a time into the body text, erasing them as they are moved until we are left with something smaller than what we have now?— DædαlusT@lk / Improve 17:29, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

That would be great, thanks! Cowicide (talk) 04:36, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
I am glad we were able to work this out peacefully.— DædαlusT@lk / Improve 05:18, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
Just an idle note/commet/question. I always try to remain civil, I never take the editing of an article personal, whether I created it(I haven't created anything yet, so that doesn't really matter), or contributed to it.
To the question, when you first got here, would you have reacted the same to what happened here?— DædαlusT@lk / Improve 05:56, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
Not sure if I understand the question. When I first started using Wikipedia you mean? I looked at that link and not sure what reaction you're referring to specifically. I got kinda bored reading through it since I had trouble figuring out who was talking to whom, etc. Either way, yes, I'm think you ended up handling our situation amicably and, once again, thanks. I'll help move stuff or whatever is needed when I get some time soon. Regards,Cowicide (talk) 06:45, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
Daedalus, I have a proposition for you. Let's change the name from Trivia, etc. to "Notable Motifs". Observe that section in the Pulp Fiction article here. There you'll see er, "references" found throughout the movie, etc. Everything from a combination code on a suitcase to how the film features scenes of bathrooms and toilets. This section in the Pulp Fiction article is just the tip of the iceberg in references, trivia, etc. found throughout the article.
I am NOT criticizing the Pulp Fiction article, but if you honestly want to make it your mission to clean up Wikipedia movie entries... based on your previous statements, I would think you would focus just as much effort or more deleting sections of the Pulp Fiction article. (Which I think would ruin the article as it has done here)
I have a feeling that due to the massive popularity of Pulp Fiction, you would find a swift and expansive attack against your efforts coming from many directions and you would end up crawling away with your tail between your legs. Unlike Pulp Fiction, Repo Man has a far more esoteric appeal and didn't come anywhere near the mainstream success of Pulp. But, is that how wikipedia works in your eyes? If a film garners more financial mainstream success you can "look the other way" when its article involves itself in tons of references, trivia, etc.? But, a lesser known work such as Repo Man should be ripped of its "Notable Motifs" off-hand?
The funny thing is, you initially launched an unprovoked insult calling me a hypocrite. With that in mind, I'd like to see you launch the same attack on the Pulp Fiction article (delete entire sections, etc. without consensus, etc.). Let's see how that goes, learn from that experience, and THEN come back here and lets apply a far more peer reviewed strategy for "making this article better" based on your "trial by fire" consensus experience at the Pulp Fiction article. That way you can experience a wide variety of opinions on the matter, reach true consensus and apply it just the same here. Good luck with that and don't forget your flame resistant underwear. Cowicide (talk) 10:23, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Also, seeing that you say one thing here then do another on the article and its talk page. Please stop cluttering up my talk page here. Any more issues you have should be discussed on the Article's talk page ONLY. Otherwise, I will simply start to copy and paste your words from here to there in order to show others there your two-faced deceptions. I copied my last response to you from this talk page to the article's talk page. Let's cut out the redundant waste of time and focus the discussion at the proper place instead of scattering it between here and there as you have. Cowicide (talk) 10:45, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Please do not jump to conclusions, if you would bother to read the history of the article, you would see that I blanked the trivia section before I posted to your talk page. So please don't accuse me of lying.— DædαlusT@lk / Improve 17:12, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
And I'm sorry for calling you a hypocrite alright, would you please stop calling me a coward? You aren't exactly being civil yourself.— DædαlusT@lk / Improve 17:15, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
In case you won't bother to do that, and I'll make it easy. First diff as you may note, takes place at 4/27/08 16:23. Second diff as you may also note, takes place at 4/27/08 17:29. At least an hour after my blanking of the Repo Man section. So please understand, I mean what I say in my first message on your talk page. Go on, post this one there too.— DædαlusT@lk / Improve 17:22, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

I did not read your last entry above and I will not read anything you place here in the future. Quit spamming my talk page without READING what I say. If you want me to read what you have to say about the Repo Man article, then bring it up in the Repo Man Talk Page, NOT HERE. You are about to get a request for a ban. Now, AGAIN (this time with fucking emphasis): " ... Please stop cluttering up my talk page here. Any more issues you have should be discussed on the Article's talk page ONLY. Let's cut out the redundant waste of time and focus the discussion at the proper place instead of scattering it between here and there as you have. Cowicide (talk) 07:20, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

No reall point in that since I'm not really talking about the article anymore. I don't know why you aren't bothering to read the above, especially since it's an apology and a request for you to do the same. Please read the above, as you jumped to false conclusions. If you read the above, you will see by the evidence that I posted my response more then an hour after I blanked the section. So don't call my attempts at a resolution a 2-faced deception. You're taking this way to far. And to clarify, I have read everything you said.— DædαlusT@lk / Improve 15:58, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
GTFO of my talk page, dick. Cowicide (talk) 17:59, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
Please read WP:CIVIL, what is your problem? You're calling me a liar is without base, as shown by the diffs I presented. I even apologized for calling you a hypocrite.— DædαlusT@lk / Improve 18:13, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for ignoreing my request again and again... How civil is it to continously spam my talk page after I continuously ask you NOT to... DICK? Cowicide (talk) 18:25, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
Good thing this isn't spamming. If you would please read my messages, you would see what I am refering to.— DædαlusT@lk / Improve 18:27, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
Sorry, still not reading your spam. Thanks for ignoring my request again and again... Please stop continuously spamming my talk page after I continuously ask you NOT to...ok, DICK? If you have issues with the Repo Man article, bring them up in it's Talk Page. I have nothing to discuss with you here. Cowicide (talk) 18:29, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

[edit] RFC/USER discussion concerning you (Cowicide)

Hello, Cowicide. Please be aware that a request for comments has been filed concerning your conduct on Wikipedia. The RFC entry can be found by your name in this list, and the actual discussion can be found at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Cowicide, where you may want to participate. -- — DædαlusT@lk / Improve 18:47, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Typical. Well, be aware that while you were screwing around with me preparing to waste time with this RFC. I posted more relevant info on the actual article's talk page. You want to make this issue about you and me while I just want to have a better article and not step all over the work of others and encourage contributions to Wikipedia. Is your life truly that devoid of things to do? Sad. And, once again, please quit harassing me on my Talk Page, Dick (<----be sure to spend your time quoting me there too on the RFC instead of actually working on improving the article or wikipedia for that matter) LOL Cowicide (talk) 19:42, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
True, there is a small issue with the article, but the main issue is about you and me, since you keep insulting me, and refuse to see the truth that I posted the comment about us working together on the article a hour after I blanked the section, which makes sense considering my initial comment was along the lines of I've been thinking a bit after my last edit.— DædαlusT@lk / Improve 20:12, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
Are you still talking about.... "us"? LOL!! Seriously, your behaivor from the get-go helped set the tone and since then I haven't honestly given a fuck about "us". You go ahead and fret over "us" some more, I'll worry about the article. bye. Cowicide (talk) 20:33, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
Actually, you set the tone by accusing me of falsities.— DædαlusT@lk / Improve 20:38, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
I've been civil this entire time, but you continue to be incivil.— DædαlusT@lk / Improve 20:39, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Well, geez... if you've been so civil this entire time then why on earth did you apologize for how you acted in the first place? You know, the part where you came in like an asshole and deleted everyones work and without any provocation called me a hypocrite to top it off? LOL Get real. OK, now continue to stalk me on my Talk Page despite me asking you repeatedly to leave me alone. DICK, once again, please stop harrassing me on my talk page.(<----be sure to spend your time quoting me there too on the RFC instead of actually working on improving the article or wikipedia for that matter) Cowicide (talk) 21:01, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes, civil. Calling someone a hypocrite, is not an insult, but something meant to call attention to a person not following their own rules. The rules in this case being WP policy. After realizing you took it as an insult, I apologized, but you? No. You continue to call me a dick, and refuse to apologize for calling me a coward, and liar, which, might I add, is completely wrong.— DædαlusT@lk / Improve 21:22, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
You've been nothing but incivil since you decided you were right in your assumption that I blanked the section after talking to you, which, as any user can easily check, is wrong.— DædαlusT@lk / Improve 21:23, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Man you are hilarious! It almost (but not quite) makes it worth it that you are going to try and trash everyone's work on that article! LOL Actually, the first thing you DID when you came in here was blank the section without talking it over with anyone and then sprinkled a nice insult over it to boot. Gawd, you are distorted, bro....

Now here's where you are getting funny as hell....

On the article talk page you say, " ... I already apologized for insulting you once, and when I was using the word, I was not using it as an insult. ..." which is hilarious, because there in the same sentence you say you were sorry for insulting me, but, ah... you didn't insult me. So you apologized for NOT insulting me? You asshole!!! LOL!!!!!  :P Now here you are just now saying that calling me a hypocrite (specifically) is not an insult at all. Ok, well then calling you an asshole or dick isn't either, ok? ROTFL!!!!!! As a matter of fact, for now on, whenever I meet people I'll say, "hello there, hypocrite!" as a universal greeting of friendship and understanding.... ROTFL!!!!!! Hahaaha. BTW, I saw your nice comment you interjected into my serveral year old conversation up there, NICE! LOL Cowicide (talk) 21:50, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

I apologized because you took it as an insult, not me. I didn't mean it as an insult, but you obiviously took it as one. You took it as an offensive comment, so I apologize for making that offense. Now, please stop calling me a coward, a liar, and a dick.— DædαlusT@lk / Improve 07:13, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
Please see Wikipedia's no personal attacks policy. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Note that continued personal attacks will lead to blocks for disruption. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 23:08, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
Comment on content, not on contributors? That will be fantastic! That's what I've bee asking for quite a while now. Thanks! Hopefully, it will finally be reciprocated as well. Cowicide (talk) 23:15, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
Re your message: I think it is a good sign that you are willing to refocus on the article. I recommend that you follow that and keep an open mind towards any concerns or comments that appear in the discussion. Your name calling to Daedalus was uncivil as I warned you earlier, so please be careful in your choice of words when replying to other editors. I recommended to Daedalus that you "both stay away from each other until the issue is settled". I recommend that you stay off each other's talk pages (and mine); move on over who didn't or did do whatever; and do what we're all here for: improve articles on Wikipedia. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 02:47, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
Thank you for your guidance, Gogo, and I apologize for the name calling. Cowicide (talk) 03:05, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

While I appreciate the invitation to comment, Cowicide, my contributions to the Repo Man article were remarkably minor. Until checking the article's history, I was actually certain that I had not touched the article in question. I appreciate the diverse amount of material available through trivia sections, but I also understand that expounding about trivia detracts from the Wikipedia's overall seriousness and credibility. As the saying goes, "I have no dog in this fight". I hope the two of you reach a satisfactory conclusion. EvilCouch (talk) 02:57, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Couch, actaully I was just picking editors (of this article) at random so we can hopefully get an unbiased general consensus on what to do next. Hopefully, some more people will come here over time and add solid stances on the issue or "have a dog" one way or another... LOL Cowicide (talk) 03:22, 1 May 2008 (UTC)


Listen, I honestly want to start over/continue from where we left off, as in, before you accused me wrongly as being a liar. I never lied to you, and when I made the comment about a resolution to your talk page, that was an hour after I blanked the section.

Here:

Link to diff.

Header of diff:

This is an old revision of this page, as edited by Daedalus969 (Talk | contribs) at 16:23, April 27, 2008. It may differ significantly from the current revision.


Link to diff.

Header of diff:

This is an old revision of this page, as edited by Daedalus969 (Talk | contribs) at 17:29, April 27, 2008. It may differ significantly from the current revision.

As you can clearly see by the information I provided, I posted the new section on your talk page more then an hour after I blanked the section. I have not been trying to bait you, I only want you to see that I was telling the truth when I posted that section.— DædαlusT@lk / Improve 17:23, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] 9/11

See Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/September 11 conspiracy theories. I believe that "alleged" has been considered and rejected in the lead of the article, on the grounds that, in fairness, we'd have to list the 1000s of reliable sources which are so alleging.

If my interpretation is correct, you may be blocked by an uninvolved admin with no futher warning. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 19:51, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the unwarranted threat right off the bat. You can go fuck yourself. I never alleged any conspiracies and the link you gave had nothing to do with trying to add the proper wording of "alleged" to the article. Threaten me and requests bans on me all you want, but I just would like to see the article appear more encyclopedic with proper wording. That is all. Later Reuben. Cowicide (talk) 20:26, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
To add to what the above user said, this issue has been discussed repeatedly (1, 2, 3) and rejected. Stop adding it back into the article. -- VegitaU (talk) 19:58, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the links that contain such brilliant arguments as:

" ... "Allegedly" is not neutral. It is an affirmation of doubt. ... The claim there is a dispute is not neutral. ... "

In other words, even though there IS a dispute (over 36 percent of Americans consider it likely that government officials either allowed the 9/11 attacks to be carried out or perpetrated the attacks) Wikipedia cannot perform as an encyclopedia and must instead bend reality and must use wording that makes it appear that there is no dispute. That's a nice line of bullshit, right there.

Well, I can tell by the hostility (threatened with a ban almost from the start) that this isn't going to go anywhere. So, I'll just join the masses that are coming to believe Wikipedia isn't a reliable source of information on topics and is biased towards uncomfortable issues. Cowicide (talk) 20:26, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

I do apologize for threatening you with a block, but you added the material twice, in clear violation of the ArbCom agreement. I can't find a templated warning with a neutral wording. There certainly should be one, as there are at least four "discretionary admin sanctions" rulings that I can recall, Macedonia, one on German vs. Polish language of border communities, Homeopathy, and 9/11.
I don't think you'll find any measurable fraction of the population that doesn't believe that the 19 al Qaeda hijackers did it; the questions of whether the buildings also had explosives installed or whether they had help are subject to some debate.
As for Wikipedia, It's biased toward uncomfortable issues is right, although it's clearly not what you meant. We have a lot more material that is scientifically impossible than one would expect. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 21:48, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

In the future, please discuss any planned edits on the talk page first before implementing them. You will save yourself and the rest of us quite a bit of grief if you do so. You will also find that your concerns have been discussed repeatidly in the talk page archives. Consensus there has dictated that the edits you made are not warented. If you wish to dispute this, please read the talk page archives first, and then if you have something new, feel free to bring it up in a civil manner. Be warned, use of strong language as you have used here will not be tolerated on that talk page. Thank you. --Tarage (talk) 02:04, 2 June 2008 (UTC)