Talk:Cow bell
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[edit] Schellen-Ursli?
I am referring to the children's picture book Uorsin (Schellen-Ursli. Ein Engadiner Bilderbuch). by Selina Chönz and Alois Carigiet (1945). Though the German text calls it a "Glocke", Carigiet clearly depicts a trychel in his illustrations. I don't know which word Chönz used in her original text in Romansh. (The "Schelle" in Ursli's nickname refers to the tiny bell he receives and for which he is mocked by the other boys).
Given the book's international popularity, I would like to present the story as a modern example reflecting the folklore/myth mentioned in the article's current text, but the fact that the book doesn't call it a Treichel, makes me uncertain whether it would be appropriate, and also whether the distinction should be pointed out in this context. Thoughts? ---Sluzzelin talk 09:59, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Why the bell?
This article goes on and on but has no information on WHY a cow might be selected to carry a bell, except for some handwaving about religion. Is it to drive off evil spirits? Or to locate a cow? -76.4.52.247 (talk) 14:25, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
- i was thinking the same. Do other poor sighted cows follow the clanging leader to the best grazing ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.42.193.160 (talk) 11:54, 2 May 2008 (UTC)
- I understood it to be for the cowherd's benefit. He could just listen for the noise to find a lost member of the herd. (Many modern herds have a bell on each animal.) An old cowherder in the Haute Savioe (who keeps the bells of his dead cows on his barn wall) claimed he knew each cow's name by the ringing of its bell when it was out of sight.
- But this is heresay, so not suitable for inclusion in the article
- Prof Wrong (talk) 12:32, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Trychel? Not in the OED.
The term trychel isn't in the Oxford dictionary. I've never heard the term used in English.
Does this term have any evidence of currency? I've only ever called it a "cowbell" or "Alpine cowbell".
The OED has this as the first sense of cowbell, predating the musical instrument by over 100 years.
Prof Wrong (talk) 12:28, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
Yes, it's not an English term (obviously). I would have placed it at cowbell, but there was already the article on the percussion instrument. If you want to move it to alpine cowbell or similar, I suppose go ahead, but please be aware that trychel is a technical term denoting only Alpine cowbells made from sheet metal, excluding bells made from cast metal. The article scope can easily be adjusted to discuss both kinds though. --dab (𒁳) 12:47, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
OK, I've move Cowbell to Cowbell (instrument). It's madness for a derivative to get the headword form, and most of the live redirects were looking for a "proper" cowbell anyway.
I would have thought that the best thing would be to expand Cowbell and merge this article with it as a subsection. What do you think? Prof Wrong (talk) 14:10, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
I think keeping two articles, at cow bell and cowbell (instrument) is a good solution for now. Cowbell can act as a disambiguation page. dab (𒁳) 09:29, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
The common English form (as attested by the OED) has cowbell as a single word. As such, I would say it's incorrect to title this article cow bell with a space. Prof Wrong (talk) 12:20, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
