Template talk:Countries and territories of Oceania

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I dont't see the reason (geographical or cultural) to include Timor in Pacific Islands. The East Timor page itself also doesn't use the template. --Nk 11:05, 19 Nov 2004 (UTC)

culturaly the people of East Timor are of pacific origin. Also it is disputalble exactly witch Indonesian islands are in Oceania and witch in Asia (New Guinea/Papua looks like indisputably in Oceania, but Timor is a borderline case).

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[edit] Malukku Islands

I removed the Maluku Islands from the template as: they are part of Indonesia, and we can't feasibly add every single island subgroup of Indonesia that might be in Oceania separately.

However, I left Papua (Indonesian province), in as the island it is on, New Guinea is considered to be part of Oceania, and the other political entity on the island, the independent nation of Papua New Guinea is on the list.

--Arun 10:00, Mar 12, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Rationalisation

I've rationalised the list to include only those areas classifed by the UN as part of Oceania[1]. Following international practice will hopefully avoid disputes, and keep the list short, simple and authoritative. It should also avoid overlaps, so we don't end up with too many navigation boxes on one page (e.g. East Timor).

All the complexities about variant terminology usage can be covered on the Oceania page, I don't think the navigation boxes are the place to do it.

The other thing I've done is eliminate the distinction between "countries" and "dependent areas". This is a technical distinction at the best of times, but in Oceania it's all but meaningless. It's simpler just to list everyplace in one go. I think Cook Islanders, for example, would be upset if you told them the Cook Islands is not a country.

Ben Arnold 11:06, 24 Apr 2005 (UTC)

I think West Timor should be on this list. Should we add it separately or replace them both with Timor?
Actually, the UN page does not classify Timor as part of Oceania at all - it puts it with South-East Asia. And the article about Melanesia lists Timor as tentative. Should it be removed completely? --Baryonic Being 22:16, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Dependent territories / special territories

There's currently a discussion at template talk:East Asia over whether the official name of territory, namely special administrative region, and which sovereign State the territories listed belong to, have to be specified in the {{East Asia}} template. Please feel free to join the discussion and express your opinion. — Instantnood 11:46, August 3, 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Category:United States navigational boxes

[edit] Christmas Island and Cocos (Keeling) Islands

I added both of these back on July 19th, and as they have not been reverted, I hope they remain. They, like Norfolk Island, are territories of Australia and are included in {{Australia}}, and fit in just fine. I'm discussing the past addition here because their addition to {{Oceania in topic}} had been reverted because I hadn't discussed it here. OzLawyer 17:06, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

I don't think they should be included. Whereas Norfolk Island is geographically Oceanian and considered a dependency, Christmas Island and Cocos Islands are not. They are Indian Ocean Territories and are not located in Oceania. They may be considered in Oceania only as part of Australia, not apart from it.--cj | talk 20:36, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
I added them back. They're included on Oceania (as part of Australasia) so why not here? OzLawyer 12:45, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Template and actual Oceania page differ

For instance, the placement of New Zealand in Polynesia in the template, but in Australasia in Oceania. These should probably be edited so that they match. -Yupik 07:37, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Is New Zealand more associated with Australasia or Polynesia...?  Unsure, David Kernow (talk) 00:23, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

New Zealand is more usually associated with Australasia. Also, I think we should remove Hawaii (not listed as a country/territory in the UN list). East Timor and the listed portions of Indonesia are more associated with Southeast Asia so should be removed. --Polaron | Talk 16:54, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

If no-one objects after a few days, I say go ahead; the Oceania article seems to concur. Regards, David (talk) 01:21, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Template structure

Copied from User talk:Cool Cat:

I notice you have also amended this template in a similar manner [to {{Africa}}]. Unfortunately it too now suffers from unmanaged linewrap. However, distinguishing between each line should still be straightforward once this linewrap is addressed, as there is some alignment provided by the images and bold links. As with {{Africa}} above, {{Oceania}} does not indicate the template's content, so recommend {{Countries and territories of Oceania}} or the like.
Regards, David Kernow (talk) 20:04, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Related discussion

Cf here for a discussion pertaining to this template. Regards, David Kernow (talk) 12:05, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Changing to Countries-of-Oceania and removing dependencies

See Template talk:Countries of Europe#Outside review and above conversation and discuss about making content boxes more uniform. THIS IS A CROSS-POST -- REPLY ON THAT PAGE ONLY. —this is messedrocker (talk) 11:35, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Standardization suggestion - please contribute!

A suggestion for a standard approach to the naming, titling and sections of this and similar templates has been made here – please visit and share your thoughts!  Thanks, David Kernow (talk) 03:27, 11 January 2007 (UTC)