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Fine Gall, the Irish for Fingal, means "the tribe of the foreigners", not the fair haired foreirners. I would say that the bit that Fingal is sometimes called North County Dublin is a bit off, its nearly always called that, people only say Fingal if they are talking bout the council etc. Bolak77 01:27, 15 August 2005 (UTC) The more I read this, the more I feel that something is not quite right. Fingal is an administrative county, not a "real" county, in the eyes of most people who live here. Perhaps we'd have been better off if it had been call "North County Dublin" council instead of Fingal. Bolak77 01:33, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

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[edit] changes made

i changed a few things which i believe was incorrect 1. the translation of "fine Gall" was incorrect it means "tribe of the foreigner" not the "fair haired foreigner" as "Bolak77" pointed out. e.g. [1]

2. changed county to administrative county

3. moved last line to end of first paragraph and added that most people dont recognise this as a real county and just refer to the area as [north_county_dublin]

[edit] 27th county?

Does this mean we have 27 countys in Ireland, not 26? Fergananim 17:24, 3 October 2005 (UTC)

It would be 30, not 27 - Dublin is split into Dublin Corporation, Fingal, South Dublin and Dun Laoghaire-Rathdown, and Tipperary is split into two counties also. --Kiand 13:22, 18 October 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Status

The law of the state is quite clear on the status of the county of Fingal, it is simply a "county" and nothing else, it is not an "administrative area" or "administrative county" - any suggestion that "It's an administrative area, not a true county" is patently incorrect. In particular Local Government Act 2001 (Section 10) does not assign any other term or the accompanying schedule[2].

Futhurmore the term used Local Government (Dublin) Act, 1993 (Section 9) of "administrative counties" is defunct[3].

Djegan 21:21, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

So County Dublin no longer actually exists, and Ireland now has 29 counties? I stand corrected. The County Dublin article will surely need to be redirected, though, or at least have the opening paragraph changed. On a somewhat facetious note - has anyone told the Gaelic Athletic Association? Bastun 21:46, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
Yes County Dublin, as an area or county in law does not exist - sure its cultural/historic/traditional, but that is all. The only statutory authority - that I known of - that uses the name County Dublin is County Dublin Vocational Education Committee and even that is only a fraction of the cultural and historical county[4].
To put it in more simple terms the Oireachtas and not the GAA are the representatives of the people, the former pass the laws. Djegan 21:59, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
In fact other articles on wikipedia need to reflect the correct terminology and remove outdated terms. Djegan 22:01, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
In that case you are going to have to split the six counties into 26 as follows - Antrim, Ards, Armagh, Ballymena, Ballymoney, Banbridge, Belfast, Carrickfergus, Castlereagh, Coleraine, Cookstown, Craigavon, Derry, Down, Dungannon and South Tyrone, Fermanagh, Larne, Limavady, Lisburn, Magherafelt, Moyle, Newry and Mourne, Newtownabbey, North Down, Omagh, Strabane! Isnt Galway City a county borough! I dont think anyone really recognises these as actually boroughs and only really see them as administrative regions. Beaumontproject 10:25, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
This is not about Northern Ireland - it is about the Republic of Ireland - Northern Ireland has not officially used the counties since 1973, except for the Lord Lieutenant and Postcode Address File. If you think their is 26 counties of Northern Ireland then that is original research. Can you show that Fingal is not a county, because I can show it is. Wikipedia needs to demonstrate the facts that can be cited, not personal beliefs. Djegan 11:44, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
See [here] Beaumontproject 15:08, 13 December 2006 (UTC)


I am not sure what point you are making. Clarify? Djegan 16:57, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
Folks: somebody deleted mention of Fingal's county status, and I undid that, simply because, the LAW is clear. The Irish parliament decided Fingal is now a county, get it??!!Fingal was raised to county status on 1 January 1994, through the Local Government (Dublin) Act, 1993 and more formally in the Local Government Act, 2001, with the division of old County Dublin into three new counties. Under the latter law, Fingal is determined and listed as a county (repeat COUNTY!!!) under Part 1 - Counties, of Schedule 5 (page 195)[5]. Tricky 21:46, 5 November 2007 (UTC)


Its there in black and white - read the pdf in Tricky's post above. BastunBaStun not BaTsun 23:02, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Page Name

If I recollect, this page was at "County of Fingal" for some time, which I thought was reasonable, as technically it is a county. It's also quite reasonable not to assume the traditional phrasing of "County Fingal", seeing as it's not really commonly referred to as a county at all. Also the form "County of" suits the other Dublin cocos such as South Dublin and Dun Laoghaire/Rathdown. zoney ♣ talk 17:36, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Aye, sounds reasonable all right. I'd support a move back. BastunBaStun not BaTsun 08:53, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] County Crest

The article doesn't explain the crest fully:

  • What is the bird and it's significance?
  • What is the crop in the top right of the crest and does it have significance beyond the agricultural?
  • Does the St. Brigid's cross have significance beyond a historic expression of piety? (e.g. A specific link with the saint or a historic event.)

Autarch (talk) 16:49, 13 May 2008 (UTC)