Talk:Country Club Plaza
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I don't live near KC, and don't currently have any personal photos of the Plaza, even though I've been there. If somebody has public domain photos of the Plaza they could post, it would help the article immensely. More and better verbiage would be nice, too. Thanks. --Brian Rock 01:02, May 11, 2004 (UTC)
- I live about 40 minutes away from the Plaza. I'll take some pictures next time I'm down that way. mobyrock 04:06, 6 January 2006 (UTC)
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[edit] Which was first?
Priority questions can be complicated to resolve. The Market Square shopping center in Lake Forest, Illinois opened in 1916, was also planned around the automobile [1], but a case can often be made for being "first" by adding enough qualifying adjectives. It is best to share the credit in cases that are less than clear-cut. --Blainster 22:35, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
Priority questions CAN be complicated to resolve, but the Counry Club Plaza is widely regarded (by both laypersons and SCHOLARS) as the first shopping center specifically designed to accomodate the automobile. See, e.g., the following sources: Evan McKenzie, Privatopia: Homeowner Associations and the Rise of Residential Private Government (Yale University Press, 1996). Robert Pearson and Brad Pearson, The J. C. Nichols Chronicle: The Authorized Story of the Man and His Company, 1880–1994 (Lawrence, Kansas: University Press of Kansas). Sherry Lamb Shirmer, A City Divided: The Racial Landscape of Kansas City, 1900-1960. William S. Worley, J. C. Nichols and the Shaping of Kansas City: Innovation in Planned Residential Communities (Columbia, Missouri: University of Missouri Press, 1990). Questioning the factual accuracy of Wikipedia articles CAN be quite easy for laypersons unfamiliar with the nuances of the topic.
Moreover, a quick search of the Columbia Encyclopedia for "shopping center" reveals the following excerpt for the entry: "The modern shopping center differs from its antecedents—bazaars and marketplaces—in that the shops are usually amalgamated into one encompassing structure. The first modern shopping center, the Country Club Plaza, opened in Kansas City, Mo., in 1922 . . . See H. MacKeith, The History and Conservation of Shopping Arcades (1986); J. Garreau, Edge City: Life on the New Frontier (1991); M. Sorkin, ed., Variations on a Theme Park (1992)."
[edit] Citation needed
"...considered one of the most beautiful boulevards in the United States..." by whom? The author of that sentence? Claim needs to be cited or removed.--Isotope23 17:24, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Clarification
The "large homes on Ward Parkway" aren't in the Country Club Plaza. The Plaza's boundaries end at 51st street (see KC's registered neighborhood map at KCMO.org). Those homes are in Sunset Hill. That edit should not have been reversed. I have changed the article back accordingly. 65.28.2.218 12:42, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
Given that Sunset Hill was one subdivision in J.C. Nichols' associated Country Club District (for which it was named, in case it isn't clear to the above writer), it's relevant to include reference to the neighborhoods it was originally built to serve.
[edit] Dispute: Date of Establishment
The article claims that Country Club Plaza was established in 1922, however the source cited claims that "Formal plans for the Country Club Plaza were drawn up in 1922." No date is given for the year construction began. No opening date has been given. The 'date of establishment' in regards to malls should be based on when they first opened. So, when you verify this dispute, please clarify exactly what happened in 1922 - "plans drawn", "construction began", or "opening date" - to avoid further confusion. -- RedPoptarts 07:13, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
- According to this catalog entry at the Kansas City library, the first building in the Plaza development was completed in early 1923. Whyaduck 02:16, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
- See above responses which provides a reference to the Columbia Encyclopedia, as well as citations to scholarly works which establish the Country Club Plaza as the first shopping center. See also the Plaza's page on its history: http://www.countryclubplaza.com/plaza.aspx?pgID=893 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 134.193.148.178 (talk) 23:29, 28 April 2007 (UTC).
