Talk:Countries affected by the 2004 Indian Ocean earthquake

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Splitting this from the main article 2004 Indian Ocean earthquake, was a temporary practical measure needed to cope with the rapid rate of editing a very large article in the face of multiple edits per minute (with occasional vandalism sprees and reversions all happening simultaneously with legitimte new edits).

The split was done in accordance with a vote at Talk:2004 Indian Ocean earthquake, and was supported by a number of people who had previously opposed such a split in an earlier vote.

Please do not unsplit (at least not for the time being) without a vote at the parent page talk page. If you are an admin, please help promptly block any vandals of this and the parent page.

-- Curps 08:24, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Contents

[edit] Countries that lost citizens travelling abroad

Table of on citizens of foreign countries dead or missing

  • Perhaps this should be listed geographically rather than alphabetically, like the aid article. A summary table may be useful as well. --Joolz 10:48, 11 Jan 2005 (UTC)
    • I prefer alphabetic listing. It will be easier for users to locate. Zingi 12:18, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)
    • I agree with Joolz that a summary table should be added. It could be located immediately under the title 'Countries that lost citizens who were travelling abroad', similar to the table under ‘Damage and casualties’ at the main page on the tsunami. Notes could be added that contributors (a) update the table whenever they update the rest of the text; (b) avoid double counting; (c) update the totals. This will assist to keep an updated tally of foreign nationals who have been confirmed dead or remain missing. I also propose that the following columns are provided: Country name / Confirmed dead / Presumed dead / Unaccounted for / In South East Asia at the time. Zingi 12:16, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)
    • It may also be useful to add columns for each of the countries where deaths were reported, so that the relevant citizens can be reported there – although this will probably make things too complicated. Views? Zingi 12:16, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)
      • IS THERE ANYBODY who is prepared to draft such a table? I am not so good with tables. Zingi 12:41, 25 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Title of section: I suggest that the title of this section be changed from ‘Countries that lost citizens who were travelling abroad’ to ‘Countries that lost citizens while abroad’. Citizens may for example have been working in the area, not merely ‘travelling’. Any objections? Zingi 12:18, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Implemented, since no objections noted. Zingi 14:17, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Add date of relevant update?: I propose that we insert the date of a relevant update or checking of figures, at the end of the text for a given country, to assist other contributors who may be able to update if they knew the data may be out of date - at least until end of February 2005, when figures may have 'stabilized'. This could be done by inserting the date after the words ‘Data updated / checked:’, in italics. As an example, I added this to the text on South Africa. Zingi 12:18, 20 Jan 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Countries directly affected

Seems odd to have countries that lost people, in the same table as countries where a 17cm "micro-tsunami" was detected by instruments. I think these would be better divided into two tables, "Countries directly affected", and "List of long-distance tsunami recording sites". There must have also been instrument detections of it in the Atlantic. - MPF 19:31, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Yeah, it is off-putting. Your idea seems like a good one. BanyanTree 20:01, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Can you do it? - I'm not too hot on editing tables. A better idea for the header of the second bit would be useful too, maybe "Detection of the tsunami outside of the Indian Ocean". - MPF 20:18, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)
Done, and I divided the "lost citizens" section into three parts so editors don't have to deal with a mass of table code. It looks a lot better, imo. BanyanTree 20:48, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)
The Pacific was the only ocean with a tsunami detection system, so I would be surprised if there were readily available measurements made in the Atlantic. BanyanTree 20:52, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)

[edit] Macau

Is Macau's figure included in Portugal? There are two reported deaths and three missings from Macau, who hold Portuguese passport to travel, according to news.tom.com.

[edit] Sources

Could someone please post source(s) for the "Detection of the tsunami outside of the Indian Ocean" table. It's a fascinating table but would be more useful if the data sources were avaialble.

Thanks

[edit] Burma

Burma was directly affected, but the official sources aren't being believed by most. A quick Google search shows a death toll of 90 at the moment. Bold textItalic text

[edit] Headline text

can you plz tell me what the damage of the tsunami cost plz i need to know

[edit] No TOC? why not?

Even though the article was basically structured into 2 parts, major/minor; a TOC is always good for navigating through long article. If I want to jump to the "lost people" section, I use the TOC. If there is "external links" or "see also", I also use TOC to jump. Removing the TOC is lost value, lost function, and lost readability. I suggest that we put it back there. --Godric 06:18, Jan 12, 2005 (UTC)

As an inspection of the history shows, I added NOTOC back on the 7th. At that point the article was written such that it had a header section that was several screen depths long, and the TOC came out in the middle of the article, off the first page of any conceivable browser window, and between otherwise connected information. Since then the article has been restructured into a more normal Wikipedia style, in which I agree not having a TOC is a loss. Whoever did that structure obviously did not notice my NOTOC, I have now removed it. -- Chris j wood 11:21, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Thank you. --Godric 11:23, Jan 12, 2005 (UTC)

can you plz tell me what the damage is on this country called burma i need to know the damage cost how much it took everyone to pay thankz ~~Tiffany~~ ~~DUNN~~

[edit] Changed headings

I've changed some of the headings:

  • 'Countries suffering minor casualties and damage' to 'Countries suffering some casualties and damage', on the grounds that categorising 10 dead as 'minor' is a value judgement that I'd prefer we didn't make.
  • 'Countries suffering no direct casualties' to 'Countries suffering damage only' to reflect what that section is about; many other countries suffered no direct casualties.

-- Chris j wood 11:38, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Fully agreed to your changes, since even one being killed should not be considered "minor" anymore. Besides that it being a value judgement we shouldn't make, it's also disrespectful to the deceased's family. --Godric 11:48, Jan 12, 2005 (UTC)

For goodness sake, this is an encyclopaedia not a memorial book. Ten deaths compared to 100,000 is "minor" by any reasonable objective standard. The sensitivities of the deceased persons' families is not a relevant criterion for the content of an encyclopaedia. I will not revert the edits however. Adam 05:23, 13 Jan 2005 (UTC)email me at hotstuff1962005@yahoo.com my name is tiffany dunn i wrote you about the cost of damage of burma

[edit] Indigenous Tribes

I am very suprised that this is not in the article or let alone no discussion has taken place on the status of the many Indigenous Tribes located in or around the Indian Ocean.

AP article:
Government officials and anthropologists believe that ancient knowledge of the movement of wind, sea and birds may have saved the five indigenous tribes on the Indian archipelago of Andaman and Nicobar islands from the tsunami
...
only about 400 to 1,000 members alive today from the Great Andamanese, Onges, Jarawas, Sentinelese and Shompens. Some anthropological DNA studies indicate the generations may have spanned back 70,000 years

Great place to begin | News Articles:

I would like to contribute to this article but do to its high volume and complex edits I will sit this one out and let someone more manageable. PEACE ~ RoboAction 02:28, 18 Jan 2005 (UTC)

note: I've attempted to address this issue on the main page of this article, but no response, can someone tell me why we're not covering this?

[edit] Remove the "current event" template?

I thnk this could go now. Changes will still occur due to more information becoming available, but not at a rapid rate inducated. Rich Farmbrough 16:32, 5 Feb 2005 (UTC)

[edit] == Diego Garcia ==

Does anyone else think it is strange that Diego Garcia did not report any damage from the tsunami? Looking at all of the animations along with known damage sustained by other islands, I just can not believe that Diego Garcia did not sustain tsunami damage.

  • Dcf1985: Please remember to insert your username and date to comments. Zingi 06:57 11 May 2005 [GMT]

[edit] Sweden

I'm actually quite surprised that there isn't a specific article yet on Effect of the 2004 Indian Ocean earthquake on Sweden in the style of Effect of the 2004 Indian Ocean earthquake on Finland, for example. This event was (and is) quite a big thing in Sweden, both in terms of lives lost and the aftermath with "tsunamibanden" and other domestic issues. Anyone tempted? --Aatox 16:07, 26 October 2007 (UTC)