Talk:Count Olaf

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As he is called "Count" Olaf, does this make Olaf his surname? Squidward2602 19:28, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Probably but not definitely.--CyberGhostface 02:28, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Ah well. More reason to buy The Beatrice Letters and The End when they come out. Random the Scrambled ^(?)(Vandalism and other nonsense!) 14:36, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

I'd say "possibly" but not "probably". Most nobles have titles that have nothing to do with their family names. It's a moot point, though: Olaf is a scoundrel, so I think it's safe to assume his title is fake! --Isaac R 19:40, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

• I would like to propose that Count Olaf also be placed under "fictional sadists".
  • Sadists are people who get sexual gratification from cruelty. --Isaac R 19:43, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

IMPORTANT -- IMPORTANT -- IMPORTANT! In "The Complete Wreck" box-set, Olaf is shown is all of his disguises. I think that when the article list all of Olaf's diaguises, someone could put those images from "The Complete Wreck," or just the little images in the Ex-Libris at the beginning of the books.

Thats about six to seven extra images on the page. Are they really necessary?--CyberGhostface 04:15, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Maybe just 1, as an example. Or if you were to put them all, they can be merged into 1 picture using PAINT. So technically, there will only 3 total images in this article.

• Since Count Olaf killed a number of people (ex. Uncle Monty, Autn Josephine, the Baudelaire parents) should he be placed in the category "Serial killer" or "mass murderer"? (Mrclone 06:20, 10 February 2007 (UTC))

• At the end of the article, it is stated that, in the movie, Count Olaf was implied to be responsible for the Baudelaires' mansion's fire. Is this right? I mean, in "The End", Klaus says to Olaf, on page 313 (US version): "You're the one who made us orphans on the first place". Olaf refuses, but Snicket states that Klaus had uttered "a secret all three Baudelaires had kept [...] as long as they could remember". Also, in "The WIde Window", page 206-207 (US version), Mr.Poe says that " The Lake Lachrymose Police Department will be happy to capture a known criminal wanted for fraud, murder, and the endangerment of the children", to which Olaf adds "arson", and Mr.Poe shouts "Enough!". I think he said that because the children were in front, and that it could also indicate that he knew of V.F.D. Anyway, it means that Olaf is responsible for the fire at the Baudelaires' mansion. --Orthologist 19:02, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
  • The movie is not in the same continuity as the book; like many adaptations, some things were changed.
  • I assume that the people who made the first movie thought Olaf did cause the fire, because the last book (which implied he didn't) hadn't been released yet. Either way, there's no definite answer and anything else counts as original research.--CyberGhostface 19:16, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Contents 1 Olaf starting the vfd schism??? 2 Young Beatrice's Father 3 Supervillain 4 Fair use rationale for Image:OlafMovieJimCarrey.jpg 5 Fair use rationale for Image:OlafMovieJimCarrey.jpg 6 Fair use rationale for Image:OlafMovieJimCarrey.jpg 7 Additions!! 8 Fair use rationale for Image:Count Olaf 2.jpg 9 Personality and OR

[edit] Olaf starting the vfd schism???

Ive been thinking maybe olaf started the schism or at least was behind it. in lemony snicket unauthorised authbiography jaques mentiones a guy 'O' who may have started it. Then there is another 0 and a E (olaf and esme?????) who appear in the transcript in which he says how he betrayed them. it is unknown whether the O in the transcript is the same O that jaques was referring too as there seem to be lots of letter initials. But then something else made me think olaf was perhaps behind the Vfd schism. on the island book 13 he appears to be behind the island mutiny between Erwhon and Finn, in which erewhon tells the baudelaires how 'olaf was right youve failed us'. Then they let him out of the cage. He attempted to start a schism here, which makes me think he could of started the Vfd schism . Plus you first hear of vfd when the quagmires try to tell the baudelaires something terrible about count olafs past. why would it be so terrible if he did not start or was involved in the schism? --78.146.200.4 (talk) 01:28, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Young Beatrice's Father

The End Seems to imply that Olaf is the father of Kit's child. Yes, I know that doesn't make a lot of sense, but look at all the symmetry in Kit and Olaf's dying words. --Isaac R 19:46, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

The ending between the two indicates that they were once lovers, but that time had LONG passed before the series began. There's much more evidence that the child is Dewey's than Olaf's, particularly that the two were clearly in a relationship at the time of her pregnancy.--CyberGhostface 21:02, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Supervillain

I would request that Olaf be placed under the category of Supervillains as he has evolved into something of a supervillain character over the course of the series. Furthermore with regards to the Count issue someone up the page raised I would like to make the point that he may be a count via inheritance.

I took a look at supervillain and he probably does count as one. Add it back if you like.--CyberGhostface 17:14, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Thank you.

Dude, this is like saying Olaf is a good guy. A supervillain needs super powers. Olaf does not have super powers on any level.

Um...no. Supervillain is defined as "A supervillain, or supervillainess, is a variant of the villain character type, commonly found in comic books, action movies and science fiction in various mediums. Supervillains typically concoct complex and ambitious schemes to accumulate power." This applies to Olaf.--CyberGhostface 14:11, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:OlafMovieJimCarrey.jpg

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Mr. Bot, you're stuttering again! --Isaac R (talk) 02:07, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Additions!!

DOES SOMEBODY MIND PUTTING IN OLAF'S TATOO AND MORE PICS OF HIM BEING COMPARED TO THE ACTOR?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.15.44.39 (talk) 02:38, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

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[edit] Personality and OR

I don't doubt that Olaf is a bit insane, but diagnosing him as sociopathic counts as original research. For example, attributing the use of aliases as a sign of being sociopathic is speculation. Lots of people in fiction have taken on different identities without being mentally insane. Its probably disputable as well: for example, would a sociopath be able to display the love that Olaf apparently had for Kit at the end? --CyberGhostface (talk) 21:36, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Unlike psychopaths sociopaths are actually capable of love. Admittedly on its own the use of aliases would not be a definitive sign of sociopathy but along with all the other traits he exhibits (pyromania, sense of entitlement, impulsiveness, superficial charm, etc) I think it warrants a mention. Olaf does indeed exhibit most, if not all of the traits of classical sociopathy if you'd care to have a look at the article. Also Jim Carrey himself has referred to Olaf as a sociopath. Another trait of sociopathy I forgot to mention is childhood sadism toward animals. Snicket writes in one book that Olaf had a habit of burning ants with a magnifying glass when he was a boy so with all the evidence I think it's safe to say he is a sociopath. --Jupiter Optimus Maximus (talk) 10:37, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Even if Carrey did say that Olaf was a sociopath, the quote calling him such is uncited. But he's not the author. He portrayed Olaf in a movie, but that doesn't necessarily mean what he says holds any weight over Handler's. Olaf is first and foremost a book character, so what Handler and the books say should count as the definitive source above all others.

Arguing that Olaf is a "clinical sociopath" and attempting to back that up with information from the books IS original research. Original research is defined as "unpublished facts, arguments, speculation, and ideas; and any unpublished analysis or synthesis of published material that serves to advance a position". Also: "Material can often be put together in a way that constitutes original research even if its individual elements have been published by reliable sources. Synthesizing material occurs when an editor tries to demonstrate the validity of his or her own conclusions by citing sources that when put together serve to advance the editor's position. If the sources cited do not explicitly reach the same conclusion, or if the sources cited are not directly related to the subject of the article, then the editor is engaged in original research."

Arguing that Olaf is a sociopath, when he's never been called such by Handler, is original research. I could just as well argue that he's a pedophile given his behavior towards Violet in the first book, or a transvestite given that he's dressed up as women a number of times.--CyberGhostface (talk) 16:30, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

I see what you're saying but I don't think Olaf's at all pedophilic. After all he was planning to kill Violet immediately after marrying her. As for crossdresser, a crossdresser is a person who dresses as a woman most if not all of the time, for instance Lilly Savage. Olaf on the other hand only crossdressed on one occasion and only in order to deceive people. --Jupiter Optimus Maximus (talk) 16:17, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

I don't think he's either. My point was that anyone can reach their own conclusions. Yours are obviously more probable than mine, but at the same time, both are original research as Handler never explicitly identified Olaf as being either.--CyberGhostface (talk) 17:37, 7 May 2008 (UTC)