Talk:Count Hieronymus von Colloredo
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I'm about to move this back to a more appropriate location, and I'm explaining why here.
- Articles are not "Surname, Given name", but "Given name Surname"
- This particular gentleman's surname is not "Colloredo-Mannsfeld", nor even "von Colloredo-Mannsfeld", but simply "von Colloredo". It was his brother Franz de Paula Gundakar von Colloredo, who married Maria Isabella von Mannsfeld und Fondi, and became the first Fürst von Colloredo-Mannsfeld and assumed the hyphenated surname. It was not their father, and Hieronymous (and his other siblings other than Franz) were simply "Colloredo".
The naming of continental title holders has not been very well defined on Wikipedia, and is difficult with regard to which titles should be included in the title of an article and if they should be translated or not. And this particular case provides no end of possible titles: Hieronymus von Colloredo was a Graf of the Holy Roman Empire, a Prince of the Empire (since 1763), a Bishop, and an Archbishop. A case could be made for "Hieronymus, Prince-Archbishop Count Colloredo" or some other combination of his titles. I've opted for "Hieronymus Graf von Colloredo" and will fix redirects accordingly. - Nunh-huh 05:04, 2 May 2005 (UTC)
[edit] More on what to call him
I'm assuming that Gryffindor is right to use an English-language title. However, I suggest we call him Archbishop Hieronymus von Colloredo, since that's what the New Grove does, and he's definitely most famous in his capacity as Prince-Archbishop, not as Count. Cheers, Opus33 (talk) 20:56, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
