Talk:Council of Florence

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At Goths, what is the actuality behind this, if any?

"This claim of Gothic origins led to a clash with the Swedish delegation at the Council of Basel, 1434, during which the Swedish delegation argued with the Spanish about who among them were the true Goths. The Spaniards argued that it was better to be descended from the heroic Visigoths than from stay-at-homers."

Can anyone with a brief quote perhaps make good history out of this text at Goths? --00:16, 8 September 2005 (UTC)

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I am not sure why this is listed as the council of Basel. It is far more commonly known as the Coucil of Florence. Also, the second half of the Council of Basel was in schism, excommunicated and elected an anti-pope. This is why Basel is not used, but rather, Florence. Also, all of the most important events of the council took place in Florence. --Vaquero100 15:56, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps we should have two articles, one on the Council of Basel, including the schismatic stuff, and another on the Council of Florence. Basel is certainly how the thing is best known in history textbooks that I'm familiar with. john k 00:04, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

That would be even stranger. --Wetman 08:48, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

The "Council of Basel" is a famous thing, and we ought to have an article entitled that. If we don't have two articles, we ought to move this back to Council of Basel. john k 12:53, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

But having two separate articles is what the Catholic encyclopedia did back in whenever it was written. It might make sense just to have separate articles for Council of Basel, Council of Ferrara, and Council of Florence. But, at any rate, it doesn't make sense to have a discussion of the schismatic part of the Council of Basel here at Council of Florence. john k 12:56, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

[edit] No Talk on the Russian Orthodox Church

On the council of Florence, it only discusses of the Orthodox Church and the Catholic and the hopes of reunification, from the schism, however it makes no mention of how the Russian Orthodox rejected the idea and thought it wan attempt to convert the eastern orthodox. This soon led to the Creation of the Russian Orthodox Church, and the source of the division of the Vativan and the Russian Orthodox Church. Mn04 03:44, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Style and POV of the article

This article is written in an unencyclopedic manner (e.g. "From Italy, France and Germany the fathers came late to Basel") and shows clear bias throughout both in content (e.g. the council is continually described as "intransigent") and in language (e.g. unnamed (!) condottieri are said to have acted "shamelessly"). Badly in need of cleanup. Salim555 11:26, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

We have User:Vaquero100 to thank for this obscure POV title for the Council of Basel. Very tiresome attitudinizing. A glance at the titles in the bibliography will show the ordinary name for this council, as used by historians and the literate in general. We may note the little quotation marks at "Deposition of Eugene IV" because the RCs are told that a council couldn't "really" depose a pope. But that's applying later doctrine to the Council of Basel, isn't it. --Wetman 03:35, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Yes, it should clearly be at Council of Basel. Nobody ever calls it the Council of Florence. john k 08:22, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Well, what can we do about the naming of this article, afgter all these months? --Wetman 09:12, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

I suppose a requested move is the way to go. john k 14:02, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

I beg to differ - it's a minor council for those who don't deal regularly with matters to do with the Eastern Churches, but for those of us involved in scholarship to do with the Eastern Churches, this council is regularly referred to as the Council of Florence. That's hardly 'nobody'. InfernoXV 16:44, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

My apologies. I would rather submit that the stuff that happened at Basel, particularly after the papally-acceptable council was moved to Italy, is certainly never referred to as the "Council of Florence", and that it's entirely odd to refer to it as such. john k 21:24, 9 November 2007 (UTC)