Talk:Cosimo I de' Medici, Grand Duke of Tuscany

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1 Issue
2 Which downfall? Which rebellion?
3 erased a phrase.
4 June 15th

[edit] Issue

Don't you all think it's a bit odd that Cosimo and Eleonora had 15 children? In reality they had 8 children. they were:

Francesco Maria Isabella Giovanni Lucrezia Garzia Ferdinando Pietro

I know for sure that Bia de' Medici was an Illegitimate daugher of Cosimo, but I know nothing about the other 6 children left. The article now states that they were all children of Cosimo and Eleonora, and that's completely False. I suggest to delete them or to make a new section about illegitmate children. --82.53.56.216 15:31, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

Why do you think the list is incorrect? You're not satsified with the Medici Archive Project as a source? They seem utterly reliable to me. I just wish we had access to the rest of their biographical data!

Notice how several of the children died very early; this was common in those days, and it is not surprising that the other similar children of the Medici family left no historical trace. We only know of these because the Medici left behind extensive correspondence and files.

Urhixidur 19:46, 2005 July 15 (UTC)

I've amended the list to point out the illegitimate ones.

Urhixidur 19:49, 2005 July 15 (UTC)

Thanks now it makes much more sense. I still disagree with the list but I must admit all my books about Medici's family are old, so you could be right about children who didn't leave historical traces and are not present on the family tree. I leave the 8 historially sure children on the issue section in the italian version of this article and when I have a bit of free time I search some informations about illegitimate children to add.--82.55.124.185 20:13, 15 July 2005 (UTC)

There seems to be confusion over the Strozzi. Piero was Filippo's son (Filippo was also known Giovanni Battista). It was Filippo that committed suicide in prison, but it was not in the Bargello, it was in the Fortezza da Basso. Nor is there any serious evidence that he faked his own death. Piero escaped and went on to conduct the Florence/Siena war on the side of the Sienese.

On that note, Siena was not being defended by imperial troops, the imperial troops were being held captive there.

[edit] Which downfall? Which rebellion?

The claim that Cosimo laid "the groundwork for the future dissatisfaction and rebellion that eventually brought about the downfall of his successors" contains information that is factually false. The Medici ruled Florence until 1737, when Gian Gastone died and his sister could not inherit the Duchy. At her death the line became extinguished. I may remove the sentence in the near future. Stammer 08:39, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

[edit] erased a phrase.

Though governed by a member of Hasburg-Lorraine since 1738, the grand duchy was never absorbed into the Austro-Hungarian Empire--Massimo Macconi 20:06, 12 February 2007 (UTC).)