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[edit] Corned Beef Recipe

Alton Brown walked through a recipe for making corned beef in an episode of the Food Network show Good Eats. Would it be worthwhile to add a link from this node to that recipe on foodnetwork.com? Zimage 18:41, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

How is corned beef coooked after it is been cured in the brine ? There is NO mention of this. I just looked at Michael Ruhlman's 'Charcuterie' book and according to his text it's cured for 5 days in a brine w/ garlic and pickling spice (mustard and coriander seeds, black peppercorns,red pepper flakes, mace, allspice berries,bay leaves, cinnamon, cloves and ginger). Then cooked by being covered in water with pickling spice added, brought to a boil then covered and simmered on low heat for 3 hours or fork-tender. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.112.173.254 (talk) 18:23, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Sources and Verification

I attempted to verify the comments made on the "Corned Beef Special" sandwich mentioned in the article. Google showed 92 links under "corned beef special" "r&w deli" ... all of which used EXACTLY the same lead sentence as the Wikipedia article (except that about six of them had the date as 1965 instead of '57). About half of these also said "citation needed." Everybody's quoting everybody else, but no one is showing definitive independently-verified fact. Therefore, I will be editing the Wikipedia article to show that the sandwich is attributed to Mr. Weber, as opposed to verified to be his. F117-A 07:54, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

Someone put a citation needed link on the statement towards the beginning of the article, that "perhaps the most famous" use of corned beef is the corned beef on rye sandwich. Does this really need a citation? JasonAdama (talk) 19:59, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

I think so. I'm from the UK and have never heard of a "Corned beef on rye sandwich". Maybe this is another US-only thing? -- JediLofty User ¦ Talk 09:24, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] would corn beef be considerd a red meat

it is st patricks day and iam on a no red meat diet is corn beef considered red meat?

Yes. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 18:48, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
In fact, expanding on that, what gives it the red color that other types of beef lose when cooked?-it doesn't turn grey or brown. Chris 02:47, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
Saltpeter is used when making it (as with pastrami). This is what makes it pink.Paul E Nolan 20:37, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
The article doesn't say anything about saltpeter being a typical ingredient. Perhaps it should? Davemenc 03:31, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

according to michael ruhlman - sodium nitrite aka pink salt is normally used although in europe it is still more common for saltpeter (potassium nitrate) - pg 38 'charcuterie' —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.112.173.254 (talk) 18:29, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Fritters?

Would anyone object if i made brief mention to tinned corned beef being sliced then shallow or deep fried in batter to make corned beef fritters. This is a common method of eating the tinned corned beef especially in the north-west of England and i know many people and also many shops that serve corned beef in this manner. - Jonathan

Find a reliable source that backs it up and cite it in your addition, and you can add anything. (In oher words, don't write based on personal experience or what you know to be the case -- everything needs to be verifiable.) —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 16:29, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
Jonathandavis — Would these links do it?Link1 Link2 Link3
Those links attest to the fritters existing, but not to whether they are common, or where. —Bunchofgrapes (talk) 18:52, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
Jonathandavis — Ahh fair enough, I shall do some more investigation! :-)

[edit] Gemini 3

Can we put Gemini 3 in the See also list? I thought of it because of the corned beef sandwich involvement during the spaceflight. A-yao 04:11, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Horse meat?

Wonder it anybody could shed any light on the assumption people make that corn beef is made from horses? Theres nothing about it on this article and for a fact many people assume its made from horses. Theres an argument going on with my colleages who swear its made from horses, this is absurd but the more people I ask the more I get the answer HORSES, am sick of it. I think this assumption comes from old yarns, Greatgrandparents passed on to grandparents to mothers and fathers, then finally to us (me even you maybe) I wonder now if this is the same assumption in other parts of the world as it is the case in , Ireland where I come from, maybe even england, wales, scotland pretty sure its the same case in theses places becasse there just over the water from us. I think that there should be a piece on this article about this, as when I heard people thought this I always said 'your nuts its made from beef' hence the name Corned Beef not Corned Horse. I thought wiki could clear this up but it couldn't thats why I want your feedback on the matter and maybe add to this acticle. Thanks McNoddy--McNoddy 09:50, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

I suppose it could be true, but you shouldn't add it to the article yet without some reliable sources because otherwise it's original research. I've personally never heard of that belief (born and raised in United States, California). I know when I go to the grocery store I expect it to be pure 100% cow. ;) JoeSmack Talk 17:39, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
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Having eaten my fair share of horse meat (primarily when it gained popularity in the Western United States in the early 1970s), I can attest to the similarity in texture of horse meat and corned beef brisket (especially when carved the wrong way), so, while never having heard that before, I can understand where it may have come from. However, in the USA, you have to make "corned beef" out of BEEF; anything else would have to be called "corned pork," "corned venison," "corned horse," et cetera, or you would run afoul of Federal and/or State labeling laws. F117-A 13:38, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
See Hamburgers made of Beef. Gazh 13:21, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
Hamburgers are named for the city of Hamburg, not the meat. Dabbler 16:49, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
Then what about Beef Burgers, as they are more commonly known in the UK? Gazh 18:07, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
Some people are ignorant of the fact that hamburgers are named for Hamburg and make an assumption that they contain ham, so marketers decide to pander to their ignorance in case they are accused of misleading advertising. Dabbler 18:45, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
Ignorant? That's strong terminology, i would suggest you refrain from making statements as strong as this in future as it may offend. Gazh 19:01, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
Ignorance is defined as "lack of knowledge" (Concise Oxford Dictionary). What terminology would you prefer? Dabbler 19:47, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
I have never heard of this belief but there may be an origin in seafaring lore. Salt beef used as a principal meat aboard ship in the 18th and 19th centuries was often suspected and believed to be horsemeat, hence the shanty "Old Horse" and the references to the meat being "Dublin horse". Perhaps this carried over to corned beef. Dabbler 15:21, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

I stopped eating corned beefs years ago because someone told me it was made from horses. I just couldnt stomach it. Its a very popular belief and i think it should be included in the article. P.S. - not going back to corn beef now that i know the truth. 74.225.6.221 21:35, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Guys, corned beef is KOSHER (or should be). Horses are as "treif" (non-kosher) as pigs. You can't make a silk purse out of sow's ear, and you can't make corned BEEF out of a horse, a pig, or a camel. Next topic! ; - )) 68.5.64.178 19:36, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Trivia?

Ummm...there has been some strange things appearing under the "Trivia" section, is this actual information or not? Nol888 01:49, 22 February 2007 (UTC)


[edit] better picture

the picture of the corned beef sandwich on this page seem a little blurry. There's an identical picture on Alan's Kitchen webpage which is sharper. [1] Perhaps it should be replaced? 209.36.79.10 20:33, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] NY Corned Beef vs. Philadelphia Corned Beef sandwiches

I noticed that the picture of the Corned Beef sandwich from Katz, New York has THICK slices of corned beef. I grew up in Philadelphia, and the corned beef sandwich in Philly is made with very THIN slices of meat.

I've been told this is a regional difference. Can anybody verify my personal observations? I think it would be useful to include in the article if it is possible to verfy 209.36.79.10 20:32, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

In the Good Eats show mentioned by Zimage above, it's supposed to be NY corned beef, and he makes specific mention of slicing it thinly. May just be a variation for that particular place, or a photographic sandwich (like being able to see the meat in a Big Mac on a commercial, but not being able to in the actual sandwich.) --StarChaser Tyger 02:51, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
I also grew up in Philly, and I am a little confused. So far as I know, a so called "Corned Beef Special (or sandwich)" is just a generic, non-ethnic way to refer to a Reuben. I don't think there is any difference between the two, except for what they are called depending upon what neighborhood one lives in. In any event, Philadelphians have always preferred very thinly sliced meats, from the deli to the cheesesteak. 70.20.219.41 03:09, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Corned Beef vs. Pastrami vs. Montreal Smoked Meat

The statement "Smoking corned beef, usually with the addition of extra spices such as black pepper, produces a cold cut known as pastrami, or, in Canada, smoked meat" is misleading at best. It is most obviously interpreted as meaning that pastrami is known by the name "smoked meat" in Canada. This is flat out false - "pastrami" is both widely available and commonly known. "Smoked meat" is generally a Montreal or Quebec item, and is known in other parts of Canada as "Montreal smoked meat" where it is also both widely available and commonly known, very often alongside both pastrami and corned beef.

While it can be similar to corned beef and pastrami, generic smoked meat is considered distinct from both. Most importantly, it differs from both by way of the fact that it is usually not "corned" or brine cured - it is simply smoked. The Wikipedia entries for pastrami and smoked meat note these differences. Montreal smoked meat on the other hand is a specific item that is in fact similar to corned beef and pastrami.

[edit] Salt Beef/Corned beef

Isn't salt beef REALLY different to corned beef? It my corned beef is minced beef and fat served tinned. Whereas salt beef is slices of salted preserved beef? I very different eating experiance, and much tastier! If so, why is salt beef directing here? Here is some salt beef: http://www.dkimages.com/discover/previews/742/177016.JPG and here is corned: http://www.dkimages.com/discover/previews/813/10087701.JPG rather different, i hope you will agree. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.12.208.94 (talk) 18:08, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

I Thought this had been dealt with a long time ago! At the end of 2006/early 2007 it was all correct, but someone keeps changing the facts of the article.

In the UK, Salt Beef is sold in delicatessens, often hot:

Corned Beef is sold in a tin. This is the beef usually known as Bully Beef:

Salt Beef is NEVER known as bully beef OR Corned Beef and is not sold in a tin.

J.P.Lon (talk) 09:17, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] That picture

Is disgusting, I've had corned beef and it looks nothing like that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.112.174.10 (talk) 23:45, 21 March 2008 (UTC)