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[edit] Welcome

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[edit] Rewrite

I am planning, with your information, to rewrite the Enfield 8000 article. I have created a temporary copy of the article at User:TheFearow/Enfield 8000, where you and anyone else can frely work on the article without affecting the main one. Also, for a simpler system, I am creating basic Q/A sections below. Hopefully this helps, and it will make it easier for me and you to communicate. Matt/TheFearow (Talk) (Contribs) (Bot) 21:21, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Questions

Please start your question with #, which will automatically number the questions. At the end of the line, place four tildes (~~~~). If you cannot type the symbols required, you can click the "Signaute" button above this box, with the picture that resembles a signature. You can see what this button looks like here. Please place new questions at the bottom, so the numbering stays identical.

  1. ENFIELD AUTOMOTIVE Somewhere, I think in / through my User pages, I saw accidentally my original "ENFIELD AUTOMOTIVE write up plus images combination". I have not been able to locate it since. Can you find it, because it would be the best basis foryou to start what you are proposing.Constantine Adraktas 06:36, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
  2. On the current ENFIELD 8000 article. Your comments, so far, about this article have been that "It appears to fit most rules, it could do with some fixing up, but compared to probably 40-50% of current articles, its fantastic.I found, however, that, in addition to the points I have raised about this current article above, in COI and CATCHING UP, WIKIPEDIA says that (a) Wikipedia is not a link collection and an article with only links is actively discouraged in "External links Main article: Wikipedia:External links" (b)Adding external links can beaservice to our readers, but they should be kept to a *minimum of those that are meritable, accessible and appropriate to the article in "This page in a nutshell". Well, the current ENFIELD 8000 article is composed of 7 lines oftext, 70 per cent full as the Image cuts in, and is providing 9 links, that is 1.3 links per line. Out of the 9 links 5 links arepurely geographical, 1 link was leading to a vacant site with a title only, namely ENFIELD AUTOMOTIVE, to which I tried to put some life under this lonely title, 2 links are relevant ( Battery Vehicles and City Car ) and the remaining 1link, entitled Neorion, is not the official Neorion link (www.neorion-shipyards.gr - sorry but I do not know how to create links ) but a tribute to Georgios Michael ( aee his User "vacant" page). So, only 2 links out of the 9 links (just over 20 per cent ) in 7 lines are meritable and appropriate, according to WIKIPEDIA, to the current ENFIELD 8000 article. I am sorry Matt but I cannot help thinking that this article "slipped through WIKIPEDIA the net" ( somebody just"goofed" ) and this current article is mis-leading any well meaning reader who relies on the WIKIPEDIA image and credibility. What is your verdict ? See , also, my comments to Messrs Bracey and Skartsis below Constantine Adraktas 03:07, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
  3. I have noticed that a good number of WIKIPEDIA Editors are posting proudly on their User sites the NUMBER of articles they have edited. Is there a race taking place between you guys? On quantity or quality, which is, presumably, the WIKIPEDIA target ?
  4. I see that a lot of Editors post on their User pages the number of articles they have edited. Promoting what by such notification ? Quantity or Quality ? Constantine Adraktas 14:43, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
    I'll address this inline here. Edit counting is one way of seeing what a user is up to, what contribution they've made to Wikipedia. I list my edits on my user page, for instance, simply because I think it's fun. "Quality" I don't know about, because out of my 2,500+ edits to Wikipedia, probably something like 90%+ have to do with Vandalism and reporting vandalism. So, for instance, you have 659 edits to Wikipedia as of this moment. You can review that here: [1]. The overwhelming majority of those edits are to this page (because you click save so often, I imagine). In any event, some folks use it as a way to gauge contribution. For me, it's more a bit of whimsy. Into The Fray T/C 14:51, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
  5. Ref. your answer No 2. What do you plan to do about the 215 per cent discrepancy between the Range figure in the text and the Range figure in the Image ? Constantine Adraktas 07:09, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
  6. Ref. your answer No. 1.The text below is a better basis for your starting point, as I have made appropriate corrections and additions.What do you think ?Enfield Automotive was created in the United Kingdom in the 60s. Prior to the Enfield 8000 Electric City Car ( known as the E8000ECC ), Enfield Automotive developed Electric Passenger Vehicles of un - acceptable performance and safety standards, according to the Electricity Council and MIRA, with bodies made of Fibreglass and ABS plastic ( the Enfield 465 ).This contribution is based on: ( A ) The original of the Electricity Council – Enfield Automotive contract, negotiated and signed in January 1973 by the 1969 to 1975 Chairman cum Managing and Technical Director of Enfield Automotive, after the E8000ECC passed rigorous tests at MIRA (the Motor Industry Research Association) including crash and pave tests, was aerodynamically tested in Farnborough and was driven around Chester for five days by relevant Electricity Council members.Following the signing of the above mentioned contract, the E8000ECC was driven around London by Lord Rothschild, Head of the Think Tank of the British Government's Cabinet Office and was graciously commended, in writing, by him personally. ( B ) Articles from the United Kingdom and International press ( Financial Times, The London Times, Time magazine, the London Evening Standard etc ). ( C ) Copies of some of the Enfield Automotive files, in the possession of its 1969 - 1975 Chairman.Enfield Automotive and the E8000ECC were moved away from the United Kingdom to the Greek island of Syros during the oil crisis of 1973. There was "no obvious" business reason to have them move away from the United Kingdom, a car producing country ,which had, also, supplied Enfield Automotive and the E8000ECC with a unique start up contract, to Greece, a country without a car production infrastructure whatsoever (see below paragraph starting with "That, however, only until the Oil crisis of 1973 ... " ).The E8000ECC could have been produced in the UK or any other country with advance Motor Industry infrastructure, like the USA , with a genuine "Greek island experiment" on the side, if the financier was keen and sincere to put Greece on the Electric Car producing countries map. The key characteristics of the E8000ECC were: ( 1 ) The range of the E8000ECC was between 50 to 90 miles, depending on the number of stops and starts, terrain gradients, number of passengers, batteries condition etc.The E8000ECC with License plate number VDL 856K has been driven in London (between Mayfair and the City, visiting friends, going to the theatre and to restaurants etc – every aspect of a daily life routine) for four consecutive years and its range was logged daily. The practical range of the E8000ECC was substantially greater than the one quoted above, if it were “plugged in” during the day, anywhere one would park and a simple electricity socket was available , as the car had a built – in on - board charger.If the E8000ECC was still alive today, it would enjoy two important benefits the current Mayor of London,Mr.Livingstone, has given to Electric Cars: ( a ) Charging sockets on Parking Meters. ( b ) No Levy for entering into the Central London ( applicable to Internal Combustion Engine cars. ( 2 ) The top speed of the E8000ECC was between 70mph and 80mph , depending on the number of passengers and the condition of the batteries.A speed of over 60mph was achieved by Lord Weinstock, the creator and Chairman of GEC (General Electric Company, UK), as he was attempting to get the first speeding ticket for the E8000ECC, in Park Lane, Mayfair, London. A police car accosted him with the policemen looking in curiously, as the E8000ECC was silent as well. No speeding ticket was issued! ( 3 ) The Enfield 8000 was a 2 + 2 seater car, for 2 people in the front individual seats and 2 more on the bench seat at the back.( 4 ) The "Bikini" was an E8000ECC with a body composed of simple and flat panels. It was never "crash tested". ( 5 ) The reason for the elimination of the Enfield 8000 (the E8000ECC's various versions were based , simply, on different bodies added to the same chassis and all other components and systems – all developed in the UK) is not that “no permit was issued for its mass production, due to tax categorization issues connected with its electric power”, for it to having been produced in Syros, Greece.Those were the days of the Greek Military Junta which was very keen to issue any permits whatsoever that would give them worldwide visibility, like the first ever mass production of an Electric Car in the World. Furthermore the Junta was very close to the London based Greek owners of Enfield Automotive, Enfield - Neorion, Neorion and N.J.Goulandris, the latter being the source for all the other companies. As a matter of fact, one of the top Greek Junta members, Mr.Constandopoulos, became the Managing Director of Enfield - Neorion.Moreover:The E8000ECC had passed all the necessary tests for production in the United Kingdom and was on its way to be produced in the United States of America. The latter courtesy of President Reagan, then Governor of California, who sent a cargo plane to have three E8000ECCs be moved to California in support of his Clean Air legislation.Prior to the 1973 Oil crisis, the Oil companies, supported by the Ca,r companies were doing their best to have the E8000ECC eliminated. Especially after the Electricity Council – Enfield Automotive contract was signed in January 1973 and that contract was followed by many other contracts around the world (example: from Lead producers in Australia, from a new town developer in Catalina, California etc ).Then came the Oil crisis of 1973 which, in a very short period, saw that a “parking lot” of Tankers stretched from the port of Piraeus to the Isthmus of Corinth. At that point the Enfield 8000 moved away from a “car producing – car components producing – relevant labor availability” country (UK) to a Greek island with none of the above but an unstable shipyard owned by the Enfield Automotive financier. None of the 60 Tankers, owned by the parent company of Enfield Automotive, joined the above mentioned “parking lot”. The Enfield 8000 was removed from UK and not only. Numerous attempts to buy its design and Enfield Automotive/Enfield – Neorion, so that the car can move on to mass production, were ignored, not even examined.. One of the offers was from the United States of America! So the Oil and Car lobby versus the Enfield 8000 confrontation was won by the said lobby. A confrontation on the lines of the film "Who killed the Electric Car?". (www.sonyclassics.com/whokilledtheelectriccar/electric.html) After a few years and once the Enfield 8000 was unceremoniously buried in Syros and the Greek Military Junta collapsed, the 1969 to 1975 Chairman of Enfield Automotive met with Constantine Caramanlis, the Greek Prime Minister to discuss ways of resurrecting the Enfield 8000. In vain, as the owners would not (and by that time, probably, could not) break their undertaking with the Oil companies, an undertaking that provided them with long term Oil Transportation contracts in exchange for them eliminating the Enfield 8000 from the face of the earth. The rest of the Greek Shipowners had their Tankers parked in the Piraeus to Corinth cemetery.( 6 ) Additional characteristics of the E8000ECC and its direct derivatives. ( 6.1 ) Aluminium body of Rolls Royce standards – against corrosion. ( 6.2 ) Rolls Royce interior standards (leather etc).( 6.3 ) Turning circle same as the traditional London cab.( 6.4 ) Although more Aerodynamic than the Porsche (confirmed by relevant above mentioned test), it had the same ease of “going in – coming out” as that of a London cab. The Aerodynamics of the E8000ECC was not based in traditional Motor Industry principles and ideas. The Chairman of Enfield Automotive, who at the same time was the Managing and Technical director of the company, a graduate of the Aerospace department of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) and the creator of the Mathematical equation for the Trajectory of the Apollo flights to the Moon, translated and applied Aerospace principles onto the E8000ECC design.( 6.5 ) It was based on Commercially available components and parts, for easy maintenance and worldwide replacement availability. ( 6.6 ) No gear lever – Automatic with the reverse via a simple switch. ( 6.7 ) A built in on – board charger.Many of the photographs on this page are from the private collection of the company’s 1969 – 1975 Chairman and you can find more photographs, worldwide E8000ECC user messages etc in a Yahoo Groups site of the Enfield Electric Cars fans. ("autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/enfieldelectriccars"). A copy of the Electricity Council - Enfield Automotive January 1973 contract can be posted on this site or a different site or can be e-mailed to you upon request. Constantine Adraktas 08:59, 3 August 2007 (UTC) How do I put this long text, which I prepared on Word and then I copied - pasted, as "a string of lines" ? Constantine Adraktas 09:35, 3 August 2007 (UTC) I thought that the use of bullets might solve the automatic numbering system but it has not Constantine Adraktas 14:51, 3 August 2007 (UTC) It seems I have managed it Constantine Adraktas 06:46, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
  7. Underneath my CV in my User page, I have added the above, as an expansion of the 1969-1975 segment of my CV. It does not seem to me that I am breaking any WIKIPEDIA rules in doing so, instead of adding, in my User page, things like "I love Mayfair", with a link to "Mayfair". Correct ? Constantine Adraktas 08:00, 4 August 2007 (UTC) Actually, I would like to, also, have a a User page like you guys do, with couple of Internal and External links, but I do not know, yet, how to do it. Constantine Adraktas 08:14, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
  8. When an Editor removes from an article Text or Images, then how the User who contributed them can find out where the deletions have gone ? Or have they been deleted for ever, from anywhere? I am, actually, trying to find a Gallery of Images REALKYHICK renoved from the ENFIELD AUTOMOTIVE article, while his editing has been pending. Constantine Adraktas 12:06, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
  9. The ANSWERS section you put up seems to have disappeared Constantine Adraktas 10:08, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
  10. I have noticed that a good number of WIKIPEDIA Editors promote in their User pages the number of articles they have edited. Not withstanding the "Soap box and Spouting" comments I had to endure by some of them contrary to the WIKIPEDIA standards, is there a race going on on quantity and not on quality ? Constantine Adraktas 14:57, 5 August 2007 (UTC),
  11. Matt, your answers please!. From what I can gather you have been awfully busy with The Wikipedia Signpost" bi-weekly letter have Constantine Adraktas 19:49, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
  12. Matt, is item/question No.6 above a reasonable basis for the edit you have suggested? Constantine Adraktas 11:45, 6 August 2007 (UTC) See, also, the set of comments to / from Messrs Bracey and Skartsis, below Constantine Adraktas 11:51, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
  13. See your answer under answer 10. Something went wrong with the automatic numbering system? Constantine Adraktas 20:44, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
  14. Ref. your answer No.12. I am awaiting eagerly to see the separate page. Eagerly but not in a hurry as you have a lot of information to absorb and balance, Constantine Adraktas 23:57, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
  15. Ref. your answer No.14. I have done so and have added a text in the separate site of yours (ACTUALLY, in the discussion page behind the separate page of yours. Should it be moved "up" on the page itself?). When I present an article or make a presentation, I use bolds and coloured letters for the KEY words in them, so that the reader can scan quickly and get "the gist of things" . But what happened to my Gallery of Images I posted previously in the ENFIELD AUTOMOTIVE and, also, a slightly different variation. in ENFIELD 8000? Where they, brutally, thrown out of the system altogether? Constantine Adraktas 12:14, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
  16. Ref. No.6 above. Have you seen my updated comments in the "separate" page you have created? Constantine Adraktas 10:40, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
  17. Ref. your answer No. 16 - You mean place it in the Article ITSELF or leave it in the DISCUSSION page, for you to move it at your discretion ? Constantine Adraktas 23:51, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
  18. I have the Electricity Council contract in PDF format. I think you will find it usefull in many ways. How do I send it to you? Constantine Adraktas 22:49, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
  19. I have sent you the above mentioned contract as you have specified. Did you received it and, if affirmative, does it answer a number of doubts and questions which have been floating around from a variety of impalsive Wikipedia Users? Constantine Adraktas 22:53, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
  20. Your answer No. 17. I have done so. Is it OK? Constantine Adraktas 07:40, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
  21. Any progress Matt? Constantine Adraktas 14:37, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Answers

I will answer your questions here, with the same format as above, and I will use the same numbering as above.

FIrst, I have to say, please try and keep the questions all on one line. It may not look the best, but it keeps the numbering intact. Ive fixed it for your two questions, and i'll now answer them. Matt/TheFearow (Talk) (Contribs) (Bot) 04:37, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

  1. I have looked through, and i can't find it. It's easier to rewrite from the basic version now anyway Matt/TheFearow (Talk) (Contribs) (Bot) 04:37, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
  2. It appears that is has too many links - as part of the rewrite, I'll remove the inappropriate ones. Matt/TheFearow (Talk) (Contribs) (Bot) 04:37, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
  3. A lot of users like to show off how much they contribute - it's one of those things, that people like to do. Quality is usually still maintained. Matt/TheFearow (Talk) (Contribs) (Bot) 09:04, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
  4. See above
  5. Working on it in the page I have created at User:TheFearow/Enfield 8000. Matt/TheFearow (Talk) (Contribs) (Bot) 09:04, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
  6. Looks good, you can copy it into User:TheFearow/Enfield 8000 whenever you want. Matt/TheFearow (Talk) (Contribs) (Bot) 09:04, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
  7. That's fine - it's up to users on how they want to organise their page. To create an internal link, use text like the following: [[Page Name]]. That would create a link looking like Page Name. See the "How do I make links?" section of Wikipedia:Editing FAQ. Matt/TheFearow (Talk) (Contribs) (Bot) 09:04, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
  8. It is all available in the history - click the "history" tab at the top of every page, which contains each edit. You can click on the time/date of an edit to view what the page was at that point in time. Matt/TheFearow (Talk) (Contribs) (Bot) 09:04, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
    Further, you can see the images you have uploaded or edited here. Matt/TheFearow (Talk) (Contribs) (Bot) 22:46, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
  9. - This appears to have perhaps been the result of an edit conflict here: [2]. I'll restore Matt's answers section shortly. Into The Fray T/C 16:28, 5 August 2007 (UTC) Great! Thanks Constantine Adraktas 19:55, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
    Well, not really an edit conflict in the general sense, but I'm sure the user didn't intend to remove content. The problem is really that this page is way too long and very difficult to read for content, particularly with the hundreds of edits that are made to it. Anyway, Matt's answers section is back.Great!Thanks Into The Fray T/C 16:33, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
  10. - I'll address this in the proper numbering here. Edit counting is one way of seeing what a user is up to, what contribution they've made to Wikipedia. I list my edits on my user page, for instance, simply because I think it's fun. "Quality" I don't know about, because out of my 2,500+ edits to Wikipedia, probably something like 90%+ have to do with Vandalism and reporting vandalism. So, for instance, you have 659 edits to Wikipedia as of this moment. You can review that here: [3]. (Sorry, but it seems to me that these are my edits and not the edits of Editors I was refering to. Is that right ? The overwhelming majority of those edits are to this page (because you click save so often, I imagine). In any event, some folks use it as a way to gauge contribution. For me, it's more a bit of whimsy. Into The Fray <fontcolor="orange">T/C 14:51, 5 August 2007 (UTC) Thanks again Constantine Adraktas 20:13, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
    Yes, those are your edits, I was simply showing you your edit count as an example. You can use that link to look up other users if you're curious. Also, see my response to this question here: User_talk:Douglasmtaylor#Constantine_Adraktas. Into The Fray T/C 15:53, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
  11. Sorry, I have been quite busy, exams/projects etc. So you know, the Signpost is a Wikipedia newsletter a lot of users receive, i'm just one of many that subscribe to it. Matt/TheFearow (Talk) (Contribs) (Bot) 09:04, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
  12. Yes, but only to that seperate page (User:TheFearow/Enfield 8000), not the main article. Once it's done I will merge in. I have read most of the discussions, and the discussed changes etc can be merged in as well. Matt/TheFearow (Talk) (Contribs) (Bot) 22:42, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
  13. The reply to 10 broke the numbering, they used :: to indent, rather than #:, which restarted the numbering. I have now fixed. Matt/TheFearow (Talk) (Contribs) (Bot) 22:42, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
  14. The seperate page is here. It is currently identical, and you are free to edit it how you want, as can I and others, before it is put into the main article. Matt/TheFearow (Talk) (Contribs) (Bot) 00:07, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
  15. Yep, feel free to put them on the page itself. That was the reason I created it. Also, they should be in the history, as I linked to in one of my above answers. Matt/TheFearow (Talk) (Contribs) (Bot) 10:22, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
  16. Just saw now - it looks good. One thing I would recommend doing is reading the manual of style. The bold parts will probably be removed - its easier to organise into sections. Simply place it into the article then I will try and format as well. Matt/TheFearow (Talk) (Contribs) (Bot) 10:22, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
  17. Sorry for not responding for so long. Please put it in User:TheFearow/Enfield 8000. Matt/TheFearow (Talk) (Contribs) (Bot) 03:26, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
  18. You can email it to me, my email address is fearow00 _at_ hotmail _dot_ com. Remove the spaces, change _at_ to @, and _dot_ to a dot (.). I can't give it ordinarily as it attracts spam. Matt/TheFearow (Talk) (Contribs) (Bot) 03:26, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Note from the Enfield 8000 article's creator

Just thought I'd chip in here, as I'm getting talk page traffic. I put Enfield 8000 in as a very short stub, with the hope that others would be able to fill in more info.

My interest was sparked by seeing one parked in Cambridge, and wanting to know what it was, particularly as I've a general interest in electric cars, and had not heard of this N-registration little vehicle. (It actually took me a fair bit of research to figure out what it was, as it had no identifying markings). WP didn't have an article, so I popped a small stub on with the minimal information I was able to find on the Internet in the hope that someone would be able to fill it in.

I was going to take a picture of the one I saw for the article, but I didn't get around to it. It would have to had to be from a good angle, mind, as it wasn't in running condition. (It seemed to be part of someone's classic car collection in a barn).

Don't really have much else to say, apart from to agree with Matt et al that Mr Adraktas is free to contribute to the article, but he needs to pay more careful attention to Wikipedia:Conflict of interest and Wikipedia:Neutral point of view. --KJBracey 08:32, 5 August 2007 (UTC)


Thank you for your note above. But, please, address the following (a) Where did you get the Range and Top Speed figures for the 'ENFIELD 8000 from? (b) Have you noticed the 215 per cent discrepancy between your figures for the ENFIELD 8000 and the 'BIKINI in the Image next to your text ? (the Bikini having the ENFIELD 8000 "under the skin" gear BUT not the 'Aerodynamics of the ENFIELD 8000 !. If you are interested I could sent to your email a number if interesting Images of and about the ENFIELD 8000. My email is Constantine.Adraktas@MIT.Partners.eu Constantine Adraktas 12:26, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

If I recall correctly my initial info mainly came from [4] which was the only significant info I could find. Although that page contradicts itself, offering multiple numbers to choose from. I probably selected the more conservative figures. Anything about the Greek version post-dates my (very short) initial stub entry. The article was 2 sentences long with no pictures at my last edit. I really have no knowledge about the car, which was why I created the article — in the hope that someone who knew about it would come along. --KJBracey 06:24, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Dear Mr. Btacey,

The Enfield 8000 referred to in the site above is not the Enfield 8000 Electric City Car (E8000ECC), like the VDL856K, that I developed with the assistance of Messrs. John Ashby (Chief Draughtsman) and Carolos Balian (Control System). It is interesting that the said article provides a lower range for the 8000 compared with the 465 (rejected by the Electricity Council) Constantine Adraktas 08:24, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Dear Mr. Bracey.

The reference you are quoting above does not refer to the ENFIELD 8000 in the Electricity Council Contract.

It refers to an Enfield with 8 times 6 Volt batteries in series (48 Volts).

In the case of the Enfield 8000 Electric City Car, the E8000ECC: (1) We used 12 Volt batteries (2) But we divided the 8 batteries into 2 groups of 4 batteries each, which connected in series, were producing 4 times 12 Volts, that is 48 Volts. (3) The 2 groups of batteries were, however, connected in parallel, hence the total Voltage was still 48 Volts. Constantine Adraktas 17:56, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Your edits to Georgios Michael

Hello Mr. Adraktas. I noticed your edits to Georgios Michael. Please note that this is a an article, not a user's talk page. The article main space is not the place to communicate with other editors. Into The Fray T/C 09:12, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Thank you. I thought I placed my note in his Talk page. Sorry! Constantine Adraktas 10:00, 5 August 2007 (UTC) Glad to see you have edited over 2000 articles. Is there a site in WIKIPEDIA that gives the score of the articles edited by its editors ? Constantine Adraktas 15:18, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

To find out your edit count, as well as some things like the pages you edit the most, you can go to Adraktas&site=en.wikipedia.org this page. It also has links to the history of each page. Matt/TheFearow (Talk) (Contribs) (Bot) 09:07, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Enfield 8000 / Bicini

Dear Sir,

I visited the Enfield 8000 article (which I did not create, but to which I added the Bicini image and some text) after a long time, and realized that it involved a heated debate in the meantime. Actually, I edited it and added some of your info before seeing all the debate. I really don't want to get involved, I only clarified that the lack of permit for tax categorization reasons affected the Bicini and its planned sales in Greece (this info provided by George Michael himself, and being a known fact that electric vehicles could not be legally sold in Greece at the time).

The info you provide is extremely interesting. I hope a good, complete artilce could be compiled about the 8000.

Regards, Skartsis 16:22, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Dear Mr. Skartsis,

Thank you for your note above.

On the issue of obtaining a permit to have the Enfield 8000 and its derivatives sold in Greece

I was personally involved in the matter and I can tell you that there was no problem for the then Government of the Military Junta to have such permit be issued.

On the Range of the Enfield 8000 and its derivatives

Have you noticed that there is a 215 per cent discrepancy between the Range in the text of the ENFIELD 8000 article and the Range quoted in the Commercial brochure attached to the said article?

Actually, both such Range figures are not correct. But if one of them, say the Range for the Bikini, as appearing in the said brochure as being 120 - 140 Kilometres (75 - 87 Miles) were correct, THEN the Range of the Enfield Electric City Car, the E8000ECC, would have been much higher because of it having a lower Aerodynamic coefficient than the Bikini (even lower than the Porsche!). The higher the Aerodynamic coefficient the faster the batteries get depleted and the more battery energy goes into heating the Atmosphere instead of increasing the Range. Constantine Adraktas 07:04, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Archiving

This page is getting quite long. I want to ask your permisison to move the older sections of discussion to a seperate page, so that this page is smaller and easier to edit. It only takes a minute or two, and the discussion is still available, just on a different page. Thanks! Matt/TheFearow (Talk) (Contribs) (Bot) 09:09, 6 August 2007 (UTC) OK but (1) Where do I / others find what you are going to archive (2) Where do you plan to have the cutting point between the Archives and the Discussion? Constantine Adraktas 11:40, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

I will move them to the page User talk:Constantine Adraktas/Archive, and I will put a link to it at the top of the page. I will move everything above the questions/answers sections. Matt/TheFearow (Talk) (Contribs) (Bot) 22:40, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
May I do this archiving? Due to the size of this page, it can take a while for it to load and makes it harder for me to read through. Matt/TheFearow (Talk) (Contribs) (Bot) 03:29, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] ENFIELD 8000 - UPDATED COMMENTS FROM USER CONSTANTINE ADRAKTAS - 11 AUGUST 2007

ENFIELD AUTOMOTIVE and its ENFIELD 8000 Electric cars


Enfield Automotive was created in the United Kingdom in the 60s. Prior to the Enfield 8000 Electric City Car ( known as the E8000ECC ), Enfield Automotive developed Electric Passenger Vehicles of un - acceptable performance and safety standards, according to the Electricity Council and MIRA, with bodies made of Fibreglass and ABS plastic ( the Enfield 465 ).

This contribution is based on:

( A ) The original of the Electricity Council – Enfield Automotive contract, negotiated and signed in January 1973 by the 1969 to 1975 Chairman cum Managing and Technical Director of Enfield Automotive, after the E8000ECC passed rigorous tests at MIRA (the Motor Industry Research Association) including crash (to see a live crash test go to BBC in the Internet, search for Reva Electric Car and you will see a link for a relevant video) and pave tests, was aerodynamically tested in Farnborough and was driven around Chester for five days by relevant Electricity Council Research Center (ECRC) members.

Following the signing of the above mentioned contract, the E8000ECC was driven around London by Lord Rothschild, Head of the Think Tank of the British Government's Cabinet Office and was graciously commended, in writing, by him personally.

( B ) Articles from the United Kingdom and International press ( Financial Times, The London Times, Time magazine, the London Evening Standard etc ).

( C ) Copies of some of the Enfield Automotive files, in the possession of its 1969 - 1975 Chairman.


Enfield Automotive and the E8000ECC were moved away from the United Kingdom to the Greek island of Syros during the oil crisis 'of 1973. There was "no obvious" business reason to have them move away from the United Kingdom, a car producing country ,which had, also, supplied Enfield Automotive and the E8000ECC with a unique start up contract, to Greece, a country without a car production infrastructure whatsoever (see below paragraph starting with "Then came the Oil crisis of 1972 ... ".

The E8000ECC could have been produced in the UK or any other country with advance Motor Industry infrastructure, like the USA , with a genuine "Greek island experiment" on the side, if the financier was keen and sincere to put Greece on the Electric Car producing countries map.

The key characteristics of the E8000ECC were:

( 1 ) The range of the E8000ECC was between 50 to 90 miles, depending on the number of stops and starts, terrain gradients, number of passengers, batteries condition etc.

The E8000ECC with License plate number VDL 856K has been driven in London (between Mayfair and the City, visiting friends, going to the theatre and to restaurants etc – every aspect of a daily life routine) for four consecutive years and its range was logged daily. The practical range of the E8000ECC was substantially greater than the one quoted above, if it were “plugged in” during the day, anywhere one would park and a simple electricity socket was available , as the car had a built – in on - board charger.If the E8000ECC was still alive today, it would enjoy two important benefits the current Mayor of London,Mr.Livingstone, has given to Electric Cars:

( a ) Charging sockets on Parking Meters.

( b ) No Levy for entering into Central London ( applicable to Internal Combustion Engine cars).

( 2 ) The top speed of the E8000ECC was between 70mph and 80mph , depending on the number of passengers and the condition of the batteries.

A speed of over 60mph was achieved by Lord Weinstock, the creator and Chairman of GEC (General Electric Company, UK), as he was attempting to get a speeding ticket for the E8000ECC, in Park Lane, Mayfair, London. A police car accosted him with the policemen looking in curiously, as the E8000ECC was silent as well. No speeding ticket was issued!

( 3 ) The Enfield 8000 was a 2 + 2 seater car, for 2 people in the front individual seats and 2 more on the bench seat at the back.

( 4 ) The "Bikini" was an E8000ECC with a body composed of simple and flat panels. It was never "crash tested", hence it could not obtain a certificate of "road worthiness".

Furthermore the Bikini did not have a range of 120 to 140 Kilometres, that is 75 to 87 Miles, as the Commercial brochure posted claims.

( a ) If the above were true then the Enfield 8000 would have had a much higher range than 75 to 87 Miles, as having a by far lower Aerodynamic coefficient (hence more efficient use of the batteries capacity) than that of the Bikini.

( b ) The text, however, adjacent to the Commercial brochure, states that the range of the Enfield 8000 was less than half of that for the Bikini, namely, between 35 and 40 Miles!

( 5 ) The reason for the elimination of the Enfield 8000 (the E8000ECC's various versions were based , simply, on different bodies added to the same chassis and all other components and systems – all developed in the UK) is not that “no permit was issued for its mass production, due to tax categorization issues connected with its electric power”, for it to having been produced in Syros, Greece.

Those were the days of the Greek Military Junta which was very keen to issue any permits whatsoever that would give them worldwide visibility, like the first ever mass production of an Electric Car in the World. Furthermore the Junta was very close to the London based Greek owners of Enfield Automotive, Enfield - Neorion, Neorion and N.J.Goulandris, the latter being the source for all the other companies. As a matter of fact, one of the top Greek Junta members, Mr.Constandopoulos, became the Managing Director of Enfield - Neorion.

Moreover:The E8000ECC had passed all the necessary tests for production in the United Kingdom and was on its way to be produced in the United States of America. The latter courtesy of President Reagan, then Governor of California, who sent a cargo plane to have three E8000ECCs be moved to California in support of his Clean Air legislation.Prior to the 1973 Oil crisis, the Oil companies, supported by the Ca,r companies were doing their best to have the E8000ECC eliminated. Especially after the Electricity Council – Enfield Automotive contract was signed in January 1973 and that contract was followed by many other contracts around the world (example: from Lead producers in Australia, from a new town developer in Catalina, California etc ).

Prior to the Oil crisis of 1973, the Chairman of Enfield Automotive and Aristotle Onassis, still owner of Olympic Airways, were ready to conclude a very interesting deal. A company with the name of OLYMPIC - ENFIELD were to be formed to:

( a ) Use the E8000ECC and its Summer version (not the Bikini) in the airports OA was operating in.

( b ) Rent out both cars above, firstly to OA clients and, then, to the general pyblic.

Then came the Oil crisis of 1973 which, in a very short period, saw that a “parking lot” of Tankers stretched from the port of Piraeus to the Isthmus of Corinth. At that point the Enfield 8000 moved away from a “car producing – car components producing – relevant labor availability” country (UK) to a Greek island with none of the above but an unstable shipyard owned by the Enfield Automotive financier. None of the 60 Tankers, owned by the parent company of Enfield Automotive, joined the above mentioned “parking lot”. The Enfield 8000 was removed from UK and not only.

Numerous attempts to have the design and Enfield Automotive/Enfield – Neorion bought, so that the car can move on to mass production, were ignored, not even examined.. One of the offers was from the United States of America! So the Oil and Car lobby versus the Enfield 8000 confrontation was won by the said lobby. A confrontation on the lines of the film "Who killed the Electric Car?".(www.sonyclassics.com/whokilledtheelectriccar/electric.html)

After a few years and once the Enfield 8000 was unceremoniously buried in Syros and the Greek Military Junta collapsed, the 1969 to 1975 Chairman of Enfield Automotive met with Constantine Caramanlis, the Greek Prime Minister to discuss ways of resurrecting the Enfield 8000. In vain, as the owners would not (and by that time, probably, could not) break their undertaking with the Oil companies, an undertaking that provided them with long term Oil Transportation contracts in exchange for them eliminating the Enfield 8000 from the face of the earth. The rest of the Greek Shipowners had their Tankers parked in the Piraeus to Corinth cemetery.

30 years later, the 1969 - 1975 Chairman of Enfield Automotive met with John Goulandris:

( a ) He said "We made a big mistake not continuing with the E8000ECC or finding a way to sell the company and your design to you and the Anglo - American supporters of yours, somehow behind the back of the Oil companies, Imagine where the E8000ECC would be today!"

( b ) And he asked "What did the people in Syros did to your design and the Range of the car dropped dramatically. Did they change the Control System? We had a lot of complaints from the Electricity Council"

One distinct difference between the E8000ECC and the Enfield models preceding it (and, maybe, the ones handled by Syros), was that:

(a) The E8000ECC was using 12 Volt batteries, 8 of them, organised in 2 groups of batteries. The batteries in each group were connected in Series (Voltage was 48 Volts per group) and the 2 groups of batteries were connected in Parallel, hence the total Voltage was still 48 Volts.

(a) above, was one but not the only reason, the range of the E8000ECC was superior to the range of other Enfields.

(b) Previous models, however, were using 8 batteries of 6 Volts each connected in Series, hence the total Voltage was, again, 48 Volts.

( 6 ) Additional characteristics of the E8000ECC and its direct derivatives.

( 6.1 ) Aluminium body of Rolls Royce standards – against corrosion.

( 6.2 ) Rolls Royce interior standards (leather etc).

( 6.3 ) Turning circle same as the traditional London cab.

( 6.4 ) Although more Aerodynamic than the Porsche (confirmed by relevant above mentioned test), it had the same ease of “going in – coming out” as that of a London cab. The Aerodynamics of the E8000ECC were not based in traditional Motor Industry principles and ideas but rather on principles and ideas carried over from the MIT Aeronautics department and its involvement in the Apollo programme.

( 6.5 ) It was based on Commercially available components and parts, for easy maintenance and worldwide replacement availability.

( 6.6 ) No gear lever – Automatic with the reverse via a simple switch (The E8000ECC had a series of shunts to vary the voltage in steps).

( 6.7 ) A built in on – board charger.

( 6.8 ) It was dangerously silent, as people sometimes cross a street relying on the absence of car noise.

( 6.9)The E8000ECC was Ecologically friendly not only because it was not emitting gasses and noise onto the Atmosphere but. also, because it was not heating the Atmosphere (Global Warming) unnecessarily, thanks to its Aerodynamics.

Special tribute to Messrs John Ashby (Chief of the Design Department) and Carolos Balian (Control System),whose contributions in the development of the E8000ECC were crucial.

Many of the photographs posted previously, are from the private collection of the company’s 1969 – 1975 Chairman and you can find more photographs, worldwide E8000ECC user messages etc in a Yahoo Groups site of the Enfield Electric Cars fans. ("autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/enfieldelectriccars").

A copy of the Electricity Council - Enfield Automotive January 1973 contract can be posted on this site or a different site or can be e-mailed to you upon request. Constantine Adraktas 18:06, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] 35 YEARS LATER - IF THE E8000ECC HAD SURVIVED WOULD IT GET SIMILAR COMMENTS IN "THE TIMES" TODAY ?

August 5, 2007 – By Jeremy Clarkson – THE TIMES Reva G-Wiz DC

Kiss your knees goodbye, green people The G-Wiz. I have often mocked this little car for being slow, ugly, unsafe and hypocritical. But I have never driven one . . . until now.

First things first. It is very small. And it is even smaller than that when you’re inside. It is so small in fact that anyone over the age of four will find their left knee is jammed behind the windscreen washer switch, causing to it spray the windscreen constantly as you drive along. Actually, that’s not true. You will only spray the windscreen until you get to a right-hand bend which, no matter how slowly you go, and believe me the G-Wiz goes very slowly indeed, will cause you to slide right across the car until you are sitting in the passenger seat. In many ways this is better. Because while you can still easily reach and operate all the controls, other road users will assume you’re the passenger, and therefore that the stupid little car is not yours. Sadly, however, the moment only lasts until you turn left. Because then you’ll slide back behind the wheel and the windscreen washing will start all over again. Until you brake. Then your knee will shoot forwards into the radio release button, which will pop the fascia on to the floor. Still, at least it has a radio, because otherwise luxuries are few and to be found only in the shape of two crummy cup holders and some leather-look fabric that is glued haphazardly to the door linings. Imagine a coal cellar and you have some idea of how well appointed this car is. And so what about life in the back? Well, there are two seats back there but God has not yet designed a creature that could fit in them, and it’s pretty much the same story in the boot, which is the size of a mouse.

Speed. Well 0-60mph is impossible because it won’t do 60mph. In fact, this is the first car I’ve driven that seems to have no top speed at all. It’s like walking, only less comfortable. Small wonder this is not classified as a car by the European Union. They call it a quadracycle, which means it can be sold without having to pass the usual safety tests. Pity, because a recent test by Top Gear Magazine found that it was unsafe at pretty much any of its speeds. All two of them.

Actually, I should be serious because boffins using the much respected Euro NCAP test procedures found a number of design flaws that could kill or maim. You may save the planet with this car. But you could well lose a leg in the process. You will certainly lose all your friends because to justify your significant £7,000 purchase (£8,299 for the newer AC version), you will need to explain, loudly and often, that it uses no fuel, that you simply charge it up at night – using power from a power station incidentally – and you’re good to go 40 miles. Unless you use the lights. Or the radio. Or the washer jets. Which you will, a lot. In which case it’s only 30 miles, or maybe 20, before you coast to a halt . . . in the rain you caused by not buying a Range Rover.

There’s another thing, too. Children playing in the street can hear a Range Rover coming and know to get out of the way. The G-Wiz, on the other hand, is near silent, which means they may run in front of you to retrieve a lost ball. You may then hit them . . . causing your car to disintegrate and your legs to come off.

Even if I were a committed environmentalist I would not buy this car. It is too small, too dangerous and I’m sorry but it runs on juice from a power station, hardly a flower in the big green scheme of things.

What’s more, a few luvvies in London are not going to make the slightest bit of difference, even if it’s correct that cars are buggering up the ice pack. We will not be saved by going backwards. We will be saved by someone using technology to go forwards. We will be saved, in other words, by science, maths and the lost British art of invention.

Vital statistics

Model Reva G-Wiz DC Motor 48V DC motor Power 4.8kW continuous (13.1kW peak) Torque 50 lb ft @ 2000rpm Gearbox Single-speed automatic Range Up to 40 miles (32, mixed roads) C02 Equivalent of 63g/km if charged from fossil-fuel source Acceleration n/a Top speed 40mph Price £6,999 Constantine Adraktas 18:06, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] THE ENFIELD 8000 ELECTRIC CITY CAR WITH TODAY'S BATTERY AND ELECTRIC MOTORS TECHNOLOGIES

I just saw a BBC 24 HOURS program on the Lotus Electric Sports car.

If the E8000ECC had survived the indirect effect of the 1973 Oil crisis, then:

(1) It would have been using Lithium Ion Batteries (unsafe then), in a pack half the size of the then E8000ECC batteries.

(2) It would have using in - wheel Electric Motors which leave the space previously occupied by the conventional engine and drive train for additional battery capacity and amenities (not proven then).

And, mainly, because of (1) above:

(3) It would have a Range of over 2O0 Miles.

($) It could have a Top Speed of 120 Miles an Hour, for traveling outside the city. Constantine Adraktas 23:39, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

See below some relevant links:

(1) http://thefraserdomain.typepad.com/energy/electric_vehicles/index.html (The Energy blog) Constantine Adraktas 23:39, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

(2) http://thefraserdomain.typepad.com/energy/2006/08/telsa_electric.html (Tesla Roadster and Lotus) Constantine Adraktas 23:39, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

(3) http://www.zapworld.com/ZAPWorld.aspx?id=4472 (ZAP and Lotus) Constantine Adraktas 23:39, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

(4) http://news.com.com/Revving+up+for+the+all-electric+SUV/2100-11389_3-6139703.html (Altair Nanotechnology - Battery) Constantine Adraktas 23:39, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

(5) http://www.valence.com/technology/index.html (Valence Technology - Battery) Constantine Adraktas 23:39, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

(6) http://www.physorg.com/preview3539.html (Toshiba - Battery) Constantine Adraktas 23:39, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

(7) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elon_Musk (Elon Musk - Electric Cars and Computers) Constantine Adraktas 23:39, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

(8) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SpaceX (Elon Musk - Space) Constantine Adraktas 23:39, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

(9) http://www.teslamotors.com/efficiency/charging_and_batteries.php (Tesla - Charging and Batteries) Constantine Adraktas 23:39, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

(10) http://www.teslamotors.com/performance/electric_power.php (Tesla - Efficiency versus performance) Constantine Adraktas 23:39, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

(11) http://www.teslamotors.com/performance/acceleration_and_torque.php (Tesla - Electric Motor - Acceleration and Torque) Constantine Adraktas 23:39, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

(12) http://www.teslamotors.com/blog4/?p=58 (Tesla - Regenerative Breaking) Constantine Adraktas 23:39, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

(13) http://www.teslamotors.com/efficiency/well_to_wheel.php (Tesla - Well to Wheel Energy Efficiency) Constantine Adraktas 23:39, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

(14) http://www.teslamotors.com/performance/perf_specs.php (Tesla - Performance Specifications) Constantine Adraktas 23:39, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

(15) http://www.teslamotors.com/performance/tech_specs.php (Tesla - Technical Specifications) Constantine Adraktas 23:39, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

(16) http://www.teslamotors.com/learn_more/white_papers.php (White Papers - See PDFs on "The 21st Century Electric Car" and "The Tesla Battery System") Constantine Adraktas 23:39, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] ENFIELD 8000 and ENFIELD AUTOMOTIVE - RELEVANT IMAGES

The E8000ECC in front of the Electricity Council building after the contract signing
The E8000ECC in front of the Electricity Council building after the contract signing
With the president of the Electricity Council
With the president of the Electricity Council
The Chairman of the Electricity Council and other EC Board members on the date of signing the contract for the E8000ECC
The Chairman of the Electricity Council and other EC Board members on the date of signing the contract for the E8000ECC
With the UK Secretary of Industry and Technology John Marsh . He also tried, but in vain, to keep the E8000ECC in the United Kingdom
With the UK Secretary of Industry and Technology John Marsh . He also tried, but in vain, to keep the E8000ECC in the United Kingdom
The E8000ECC being tested for and on behalf of the Electricity Council on the Pave circuit of the Motor Industry Research Association at Nuneaton
The E8000ECC being tested for and on behalf of the Electricity Council on the Pave circuit of the Motor Industry Research Association at Nuneaton
The E8000ECC was tested in a wind tunnel at Farnborough and was found to have a lower aerodynamic coefficient than Porsche
The E8000ECC was tested in a wind tunnel at Farnborough and was found to have a lower aerodynamic coefficient than Porsche
Constantine Adraktas with Werner von Braun (see the Aerodynamics section of the text)
Constantine Adraktas with Werner von Braun (see the Aerodynamics section of the text)
Constantine Adraktas with Constantine Caramanlis, Greek Prime Minister, in London, after the Military Junta collapsed, (see relevant section of the text)
Constantine Adraktas with Constantine Caramanlis, Greek Prime Minister, in London, after the Military Junta collapsed, (see relevant section of the text)
OLYMPIC , still under Aristotle Onassis, was interested in both versions of the E800ECC. For the airports and for renting them out under the name OLYMPIC ENFIELD
OLYMPIC , still under Aristotle Onassis, was interested in both versions of the E800ECC. For the airports and for renting them out under the name OLYMPIC ENFIELD
Constantine Adraktas and on his right the financier of Enfield Automotive
Constantine Adraktas and on his right the financier of Enfield Automotive
The E8000ECC parked in Mount Street, Mayfair, London
The E8000ECC parked in Mount Street, Mayfair, London


The E8000ECC being tested for and on behalf of the Electricity Council on the Pave circuit of the Motor Industry Research Association at Nuneaton

The E8000ECC was tested in a wind tunnel at Farnborough and was found to have a lower aerodynamic coefficient than Porsche

The E8000ECC photographed in front of 10 Downing Street, the residence of British Prime Ministers - the event was organised by Lord Rothschild

After the signing of the contract with the Electricity Council in January 1973 the E8000ECC obtained the blessing of Lord Rothschild, Head of the Think Tank, Central Policy Review Staff, Cabinet Office, UK

The E8000ECC in Hyde Park, London

Evening outing to the London Hilton with an earlier version of the E8000ECC

The E8000ECC parked in front of Farm Cottage in Farm Street, Mayfair, London

The E8000ECC parked in South Audley Street, Mayfair, London

The E8000ECC and its Summer version (only difference the body - superstructure) on the Cowes Pier, Isle of Wight on the Channel, UK

The Summer version of the E8000ECC - Chassis, components, parts and systems identical with those of the E8000ECC

The E8000ECC beating a Jaguar on start up acceleration in London Wall, in the City of London

The E8000ECC ready to start accelerating in Park Lane, Hyde Park, London

Constantine Adraktas 18:05, 11 August 2007 (UTC)






[edit] LORD ROTHSCHILD, HEAD OF THE THINK TANK, WHO SENT THE LETTER ADDRESSED TO KONSTANTINE ADRAKTAS DATED 29 JUNE 1973

(1) Rothschild was educated at the Harrow School and at Trinity College, Cambridge, where he read Physiology, French and English. He played first-class cricket for the University and Northamptonshire. At Cambridge he was known for his playboy lifestyle, driving a Bugatti and collecting art and rare books.

At Trinity, Rothschild joined the secret society, the Cambridge Apostles, which at that time was predominantly Marxist, though he "was mildly left-wing but never a Marxist".[1] There he became friends with KGB spies Guy Burgess and Anthony Blunt, who were also members. Rothschild gave Blunt £100 to purchase "Eliezer and Rebecca" by Nicholas Poussin.[2] The painting was sold by Blunt's executors in 1985 for £100,000 (totalling £192,500 with tax remission[3]) and is now in the Fitzwilliam Museum.[4] He is also alleged to have supplied an apartment in London where Burgess and Blunt could meet, leading to suspicions that he was the so-called Fifth Man in the Cambridge Spy Ring. The Fifth Man has never been formally identified, although more than a dozen names have been suggested, including that of John Cairncross.

Rothschild inherited his title at the age of 26 following the death of his uncle Walter Rothschild, 2nd Baron Rothschild on 27 August 1937, and sat as a Labour Party peer in the House of Lords.

(2) Rothschild was recruited to work for MI5 during World War II in roles including bomb disposal, disinformation and espionage, winning the George Medal. Because of his association with Burgess and Blunt, he was questioned by Special Branch at the time of Blunt's unmasking in 1964 and was apparently cleared, subsequently working on projects for the British government. Rumours continued to circulate, and Rothschild himself took the step of publishing a letter in British newspapers on 3 December 1986 to state "... I am not, and never have been, a Soviet agent." Roland Perry's 1994 book The Fifth Man repeated the charges without firm authority, and there remains no evidence to suggest that Rothschild spied for the Soviet Union. [5]

(3) After the war, he joined the zoology department at Cambridge University from 1950 to 1970. He served as chairman of the Agricultural Research Council from 1948 to 1958 and as worldwide head of research at Royal Dutch/Shell from 1963 to 1970. He continued to work in security issues, namely as a security adviser to Margaret Thatcher. He was also head of the Central Policy Review Staff from 1971 to 1974 (known popularly as the "Think Tank"), a high-level committee which provided policy advice to government until Margaret Thatcher abolished it. In 1982 he published An Enquiry into the Social Science Research Council at the behest of Keith Joseph.

FROM WIKIPEDIA Constantine Adraktas 08:51, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

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[edit] Re: ELECTRICITY COUNCIL CONTRACT - ENFIELD 8000

Hello again, Mr. Adraktas. I got your message on my talk page regarding the contract that you want to share. Because I will not share a private email address, there is no way to email the document to me. That said, however, you have a couple other options. First, if you can make the document available online and direct me to a link for it, it would be available to be reviewed. Alternatively and perhaps preferentially, you might give consideration to putting it on Wikisource. However, I'm by no means an expert on Wikisource and would caution you to be careful about posting potentially proprietary contracts in any public format. I think Matt has some more experience in this area (inclusion of multimedia files) than I do, so perhaps he could guide you better. Into The Fray T/C 02:01, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

I apologise for not responding sooner. I posted my email address in the answeres section above. Matt/TheFearow (Talk) (Contribs) (Bot) 03:28, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] THE ELECTRICITY COUNCIL CONTRACT - ENFIELD 8000 - A VALID SOURCE FOR THE WIKIPEDIA STANDARDS?

I have the Electricity Council contract in PDF format and, I believe, you will find it useful and revealing. How do I sent it to you? Please answer on my user page or both, yours and mine. Constantine Adraktas 13:33, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

If it is stored on a web site elsewhere, post a link to it on this page. If not, upload it as you would an image, and then link to it here. Realkyhick 17:31, 25 August 2007 (UTC) I do not know how to upload an Image! Constantine Adraktas 07:43, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
You can also email it to me at fearow00@hotmail.com and I will upload for you if you want. Matt/TheFearow (Talk) (Contribs) (Bot) 21:56, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

I have emailed it to fearow00@hotmail.com, yesterday. Was it received? If affirmative, please uploaded it. Constantine Adraktas 07:38, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Dear Mr. Adraktas (I was also addressed with the same question) the only thing I can say is that such information would enrich the article. Please understand , though, that I do not want to be involved in any more relevant arguments. Skartsis 07:18, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
Dear Mr. Skartsis,

I fully understand anybody who does not wish to be involved in arguments that do not concern him, directly or indirectly. You have made a valiant contribution, however, with your relevant books (which I would like to purchase, if you can guideme to the appropriate source) and I would have thought that your having a copy of the first ever and worldwide contract of Electric cars (won in competition against Ford, British Leyland etc) would only enhance your objective basis of information. If you can see the matter along these lines and send me your email address, I would be very happy to email you the said contract. Constantine Adraktas 16:24, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Dear Mr. Skartis,

Let me add to the above the motto from your own User page "This way we all promote its influence for the spread of knowledge - in its most truly "democratic" sense" Constantine Adraktas 16:42, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] NEWS FLASH - REVIVAL OF THE ENFIELD ELECTIC CITY CAR?

If the E8000ECC had survived the indirect effect of the 1973 Oil crisis, then:

(1) It would have been using Lithium Ion Batteries (unsafe then), in a pack half the size of the then E8000ECC batteries.

(2) It would have using in - wheel Electric Motors which leave the space previously occupied by the conventional engine and drive train for additional battery capacity and amenities (not proven then).

(3) It would have been using Modern and Integrated control systems.

And, mainly, because of (1) above:

(A) It would have a Range of over 2O0 Miles.

(B) It could have a Top Speed of 120 Miles per Hour (for traveling outside the city, on the Motorway).

A pivotal meeting has been arranged for the revival of the Enfield Electric City Car, along the above mentioned lines. Constantine Adraktas 07:49, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Does that mean that it might be coming back into production, or it was once planned to come back into production? Matt/TheFearow (Talk) (Contribs) (Bot) 08:06, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
There was no plan whatsoever to revive the Enfield 8000. I am looking into reviving it with the addition of 1.2 and 3 above, as I have had relevant approaches from a prominent Russian billionaire (Aluminium, cars etc) and, also, from American and London based investors. Constantine Adraktas 16:24, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
That sounds great then :) Also, I have received the contract, and have looked over it a bit. Matt/TheFearow (Talk) (Contribs) (Bot) 00:47, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

[edit] A couple things

Could you please post the information you have on the following page:

User:TheFearow/Enfield 8000

so I can properly format/attribute to fit to policies.

I have done so, no? Or have I done it wrongly? Constantine Adraktas 16:24, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Well. I just realised that it was removed ! I will put it back. Constantine Adraktas 23:53, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Second, can I please archive everything above the questions and answers section to an archive page located at User talk:Constantine Adraktas/Archive to make this page load faster and be easier to navigate.

Thanks! Matt/TheFearow (Talk) (Contribs) (Bot) 11:24, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

By all means do. You know better. Constantine Adraktas 16:24, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
Sorry, I think you misunderstood me. Don't place it into the article - put it into User:TheFearow/Enfield 8000, a seperate page under a different title I have created for the purpose of formatting etc before it goes in the main article. It allows it to be edited etc before being put "live". Matt/TheFearow (Talk) (Contribs) (Bot) 23:56, 28 August 2007 (UTC)


[edit] Speedy deletion of Image:"WHO KILLED THE ELECTRIC CAR? - The film" - In addition to the above the Oil companies can bribe by helping somebody out of a crisis but at a PRICE. This is what happenned with the E8000ECC after the 1973 Oil crisis.jpg

A tag has been placed on Image:"WHO KILLED THE ELECTRIC CAR? - The film" - In addition to the above the Oil companies can bribe by helping somebody out of a crisis but at a PRICE. This is what happenned with the E8000ECC after the 1973 Oil crisis.jpg requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section I9 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the image appears to be a blatant copyright infringement. For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted images or text borrowed from other web sites or printed material, and as a consequence, your addition will most likely be deleted.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hangon}} to the top of the article (just below the existing speedy deletion or "db" tag), coupled with adding a note on the article's talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the article meets the criterion it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the article that would would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. Rocket000 (talk) 13:34, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Image:In_addition_to_the_above_the_Oil_companies_can_bribe_by_helping_somebody_out_of_a_crisis_but_at_a_PRICE._This_is_what_happenned_with_the_E8000ECC_after_the_1973_Oil_crisis.jpg listed for deletion

An image or media file that you uploaded or altered, Image:In_addition_to_the_above_the_Oil_companies_can_bribe_by_helping_somebody_out_of_a_crisis_but_at_a_PRICE._This_is_what_happenned_with_the_E8000ECC_after_the_1973_Oil_crisis.jpg, has been listed at Wikipedia:Images and media for deletion. Please see the discussion to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. Nv8200p talk 02:06, 1 June 2008 (UTC)