Talk:Construcciones y Auxiliar de Ferrocarriles

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

This article is within the scope of the following WikiProjects:

Basque WikiProject Basque Portal This article is within the scope of the Basque WikiProject, a collaborative effort to improve Wikipedia's coverage of Basque people, Basque Country, Basque language, history and culture. If you would like to participate, you can visit the project page, where you can join the project and see a list of open tasks. WikiProject Business and Economics (Rated stub-Class) Business and economics Portal This article is within the scope of the Business and Economics WikiProject. Stub rated as stub-Class on the assessment scale ??? This article has not yet received an importance rating on the assessment scale. WikiProject Spain Spain Portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Spain, an attempt to build a comprehensive and detailed guide to Spain on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please join the project. ??? This article has not yet received a rating on the quality scale. ??? This article has not yet received a rating on the importance scale. WikiProject France France Portal Construcciones y Auxiliar de Ferrocarriles is within the scope of WikiProject France, an attempt to build a comprehensive and detailed guide to France on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please join the project and help with our open tasks. ??? This article has not yet received a rating on the quality scale. Please rate the article and then leave a short summary here to explain the ratings and/or to identify the strengths and weaknesses. WikiProject Trains (Rated Start-Class) Trains Portal DYK January 11, 2006 This article is within the scope of WikiProject Trains, an attempt to build a comprehensive and detailed guide to rail transport on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, you can visit the project page, where you can join the project and/or contribute to the discussion. See also: WikiProject Trains to do list Start This article has been rated as start-Class on the quality scale. (assessment comments) ??? This article has not yet received a rating on the importance scale within the Trains WikiProject.

[edit] Client list

How is the client list relevant here? I consider it listcruft in this case. As I mentioned in my edit summary, all a list such as that does is indicate that yeah, they have customers. Unless an individual customer is significant to the history of CAF, such as a company whose order launched them as a business, or otherwise significantly altered their operation, it be left out. And then with the criteria mentioned, it could be worked into the text itself rather than as part of a list. SchuminWeb (Talk) 19:23, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

You answered yourself, my friend. That's the main reason why the client list IS important here. CAF is the main world provider of rolling stock. CAF's clients are VERY important public rail companies in the world, IE AMTRAK, it's not "ya know, client list uh?". Ask any rail transport expert and they will let you know why CAF's clients are very relevant. I won't revert until I have clear that you understand my point, but... if we don't agree I will have to raise the case, ok? David (talk) 19:47, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

No. Every individual client is not necessarily notable in the context of CAF. CAF may be notable in the context of the client (e.g. no one would argue for removing CAF from Metrorail rolling stock (Washington, D.C.)), but it doesn't necessarily work the other way around. A good example of what I mean is Flxible. There is no client list on that article, and the only client mentioned is New York City, and there, only in the context of problems with 870 frames, which is notable in the context of Flxible in that it was a large order that produced many defective units, and the buses ultimately came back. Otherwise, finding out that a company has manufactured for many transit agencies doesn't make it special. SchuminWeb (Talk) 01:49, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

Ok, we get to the point... is there any WRITTEN norm that states this? or is it your humble opinion? David (talk) 09:06, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

There is no policy or guideline that I know of that addresses this, however, we are hammering out some discussion on this now, which contributes to a "written norm" of sorts. Also see Talk:Flxible#Removal_of_customer_list for a similar, though less-productive discussion. However, as the list itself had no citation, I can also challenge it on the basis of WP:V, as indicated at WP:LIST. SchuminWeb (Talk) 19:37, 15 January 2008 (UTC)