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Contents 1 Language 2 Synopsis 3 Max Payne 4 After the credits 5 Expansion 6 Movie Poster 7 Gabriel 8 Possessed Girl 9 Interview link 10 Rating 11 Added- 12 Fair use rationale for Image:Constantine Poster.jpg 13 Suicide 14 Fair use rationale for Image:Constantine ver2.jpg 15 Midnight/Chaz / german version 16 Gabriel 17 Weapons

[edit] Language

What does "It also contains mild language, but not strong" mean? This sentence needs revision for style, and it also needs an explanation or a reference to what "language" means.

[edit] Synopsis

Synopsis is horribly done. It does not mention Constantine's assistants at all, nothing about the neutral club with the old man who has mysterious powers, nearly nothing about the Detective(the account makes it seem like the detective appeared, wanted to know whether her sister commited sucide, and thats it.....its a lot more than that). This is hardly an accurate account of the movie. -- Question2

I agree. I came here looking for more info about the film version of Chas Chandler. I -know- he has a huge backstory in the movie but it's not touched upon at all in this article. Lots42 02:37, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Max Payne

The similarity between the games, Max Payne and Max Payne 2: The Fall of Max Payne with the film is quite startling. Even down to the hospital ward scenes, the street scenes, the retro bowling alley, the cough suppressant, the voice of Constantine, and the portrayal of Angela Dodson. I'm seriously wondering if a someone from the game design team was on the crew for the film (or the game designers were influenced by Hellblazer). I'm also curious if the film used the Havok physics engine, which was used in Max Payne 2 and The Matrix Reloaded. FWIW, Dan Cayer and Matt Jacobs, lead compositors for Constantine, worked on The Matrix Revolutions. --Viriditas | Talk 11:26, 8 Mar 2005 (UTC)

[edit] After the credits

If you stay after the credits, it'll reveal that Chaz (killed by an angel) is actually an angel. It was said in the film that God and the devil could not interact directly with the lives of humans but could use ‘influence’. So it can be said that Chaz was an angel sent by God to influence Constantine’s life to make the right decision.

Also, there is some speculation (as refered to briefly in this article) about whether Chas is taking the place of Gabreil as he is dressed as she is come the film's close; or whether that's how all angels dress. Since we see no angels other than Gabriel and Chas in the movie, there is no evidence to support either fact. -Captain Jack

If he were an angel both Constantine and Gabriel should have known (for continuity). more likely he was transformed into an angel after his death (whether or not he replaced Gabriel). Theoretically, we do see other angels (in Midnight's club), though it is uncertain if "half breeds" count for the discussion. Then again, Gabriel also wore a buisness suit (when meeting with the bishop?), so lacking further information the scene could mean anything.Darker Dreams 15:35, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Expansion

Will someone PLEASE expand on this article? Honestly, you can find out more about this movie from the IMDB than on here.

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Some people either don't want to or don't feel capable of doing it themselves, though. (Not me, no, not at all... *shifty-eyes*) CameoAppearance 13:21, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Movie Poster

I've taken a look at the source for this page and I don't know what's wrong with the movie poster. Whoever put it up made it come out twice, it seems. Can anyone fix this? JHMM13 (T | C) 22:50, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

[edit] Gabriel

Why is Gabriel female? This confuses me as much as naming an angel after a Norse god in Dogma.

1. Gabriel is also a Judeo-Christian angel 2. Angels do not have a sex. That is why in the movie Gabriel looks so much like a feminised man. So Gabriel is not a woman and not a man.

And (I'm not sure about this, but thought I'd mention it) I think the Bible presents angels as being a completely different creature than mankind, ergo not necessarily bound by the human concept of different sexes. Alternately, making Gabriel female could be an smirking slap at the basic concepts of Christianity in which the male figure is often the major figure to the exclussion of the female. (because technically, the Bible never says anything about whether or not angels are male or female, but most people assume that they are male) --Silvermoonburn 01:29, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Simple answer? Because it's just a bloody film, not Ye Worde of God(TM) dictated from up on high. The writers of the script are bound to take some artistic license with biblical apocrypha... Gods know they took a HUGE amount of artistic license with the source material Hellblazer Robrecht 02:33, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Alternate Answer: In the bible as well as several other sources Gabriel is reffered to as the only female Archangel. Thus, it would make sense that Gabriel is female.--LetMeStandAlone 20:54, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

also, I'm not sure if they had any specific actors or actresses in mind when they were writing the part of Gabriel but if they had been thinking of the actress in the film (Tilda Swinton, also the White Witch in "Narnia"), then they may have simply written the part for Swinton directly, and made Gabriel female becuase it fitted with their choice of actor. -Captain Jack

I don't recall it saying anywhere that it is THE archangel. Hell, even Constantine calls her(it) a halfbreed. If it was really the archangel, it would violate the "rules" or whatever and certainly Lucifer would know. Am I the only one of the opinion that Gabriel is just a coincidence and nothing more? Tim 04:00, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

From what I recall, from some obscure interview with the director or writer or producer, Swinton was cast and made up to portray Gabriel as androgynous, which is why she wears modest makeup and dresses in men's suits. Imacphee (talk) 03:34, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Possessed Girl

Guys, the possessed girl's clearly Asian, and her last name is Trias. She's a filipino. Even her dialogue while she was possessed, "Papatayin natin sila" (We will kill them) is Tagalog (Filipino).

[edit] Interview link

Is the link to the Jamie Delano interview relevant at all to this article?

It doesn't discuss the movie in any way, shape, or form. It hardly even mentions the comic except in passing.--MythicFox 22:30, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Rating

Here's a tidbit to track down, something I was told by one of the producers so perhaps there's an outside source for it somewhere: the film was shot in an attempt to get a PG-13 rating. That is why there is almost no gore and very little profanity. Yet, the MPAA gave them an R rating.

When the producers asked why, they were told that it was because they had "demons" in the film. They pointed out that the Lord of the Rings films had trolls and orcs in them, to which the person at the MPAA replied, "Yes, but those aren't real." He wasn't kidding. RoyBatty42 08:57, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

Pardon the pun, but speaking as a devil's advocate, millions and millions of people -do- believe that demons are real, not as many believe in orcs and trolls. And even after just watching the edited FX channel version, I find it hard to believe they were going for PG-13. A guy gets murdered by an angel, there's drownings and scenes of thousands of souls in torment and a priest kills himself with booze. Lots42 02:40, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Added-

I added the vermin demon in the demon section, and also put the Amityville Screech Beetle in the weapons section. The "holy light" John uses against scavenger demons, by the way, is revealed in the game to be part of Moses' shroud, but I didn't put this in as it isn't named in the film. Would it be acceptable to put it in, and then put the game as a reference? 81.103.167.237 17:37, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

I wouldn't, the movie is -the- movie. Unless it's like Joss Whedon, who designantes non-tv stuff as canon, it doesn't seem like it should be added. Lots42 02:42, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

I think Moses' shroud should be added. It is revealed on the DVD extras that the cloth is part of Moses' shroud; the scene where Beeman brings Constantine his new toys was originally supposed to be longer and include this explanation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.190.111.239 (talk) 10:45, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Constantine Poster.jpg

Image:Constantine Poster.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in Wikipedia articles constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.

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[edit] Suicide

In the differences section it mentions that he was sentenced to hell for a successful suicide, but as he is still alive does that not mean his attempt was unsuccessful? Stewiechewie 21:06, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Well his suicide was successful, and he went to hell. He was revived and has been trying to not go back to hell, which is why he was trying to buy his way into heaven by exorcising demons. JoeyFNK 22:23, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

But as he was revived his suicide attempt was unsuccessful, he tried to end his life but is still alive Ssm777 (talk) 23:13, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

I would say, Constantine deserved hell for taking a (his own) life, and then he was offered a substitional new deal for that life-time-hell-sentence (i. e. being un-selfish a lot)... This "new deal" makes sense, because his suicide attempt was immediately caused by the malfunctioning genesis (idiotic psychiatrists, silly parents, insane government; which was not caused by him)... :-) Just my 2 pennies... --Homer Landskirty (talk) 18:57, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Fair use rationale for Image:Constantine ver2.jpg

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[edit] Midnight/Chaz / german version

Hi! In the german version Midnite said before he said a prayer for Chaz, that Constantine shall kill Chaz after he helped him... Is that translation wrong? If not: What does it mean? Why should Chaz die? --Homer Landskirty (talk) 18:50, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Gabriel

I see there's still a problem over Gabby's gender. Lots42 (talk) 18:59, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

And the fight is still going. Can we PLEASE decide on a gender for Gabriel and quit this nonsense? Lots42 (talk) 19:51, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

More then a month later, the fight continues. YEESH. Lots42 (talk) 02:34, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Weapons

Do we need the weapons section? Lots42 (talk) 02:33, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

Seems kinda pointless(Predator106) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.40.133.203 (talk) 19:18, 17 April 2008 (UTC)