Talk:Constance Markiewicz

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[edit] Scouting

Why is the Scouting portal on this page? The article should at least mention the connection.Rlevse 18:40, 18 January 2007 (UTC)...Apparently connnected to Fianna Éireann, but that is not considered Scouting, so I removed it.Rlevse 18:43, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Fianna Éireann while not part of the international scouting movement was a nationalist movement inspired by scouting in the same way that the Hitler Youth was a facist movement inspired by scouting. So there is a connection and it should be reflected some way in the scouting articles. --Gramscis cousin 08:37, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] IRB

I am not sure that the Countess was in the IRB (not sure they admitted women at all) definitely in the period when the IRB was most active around her time her allegiance was with the Citizen's Army. Please source if I'm wrong on this. --Gramscis cousin 08:34, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Spelling: Markiewicz v. Markievicz

What is the correct spelling of her name? Is it MarkieWicz or MarkieVicz? A google search for Countess Markievicz returns 18,000 whereas a search for Countess Markiewicz returns 779. On oireachtas members database her name is given as "Countess Constance Georgina de Markievicz". In the current article both versions are used. Snappy56 17:43, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

I see that the ODNB spells it V as dos its list of sources, so maybe we should change to that. Ref: S. Pašeta, ‘Markievicz , Constance Georgine, Countess Markievicz in the Polish nobility (1868–1927)’, Oxford Dictionary of National Biography, Oxford University Press, 2004 accessed 22 July 2007 --mervyn 07:14, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
BUT confusingly the Polish WP article uses W. I don't know enough about Polish naming conventions to comment! --mervyn 07:18, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
Dublin City Council spells it with a V as in 'Markievicz Leisure Centre' [1] and I'm pretty sure her statue in St. Stephen's Green spells her name with a V as well. Anyone native Polish speakers out there, who can clear up this confusion? Snappy56 14:04, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
The Countess was closely associated with Sligo and as a Sligo man there was many buildings, streets, pubs etc named after her and its always spelt Markievicz suck as Markievicz Park, Markievicz Heights (large area in the south of Sligo town), Markievicz House (the headquarters of the Northernwestern Health Board). For this reason I would say V not W.--Vintagekits 14:49, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] she shot an unarmed Dublin policeman

Is it true that on her way to the 1916 Easter Rising she shot an unarmed Dublin policeman? If so, did she ever explain why she did this?--User:RFMJR (talk) 00:02, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

It is true. He might have been the first casulty. He objected to the citizen army digging trenches in Stephen's Green ClemMcGann (talk) 02:04, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Move article?

I don't believe Constance Markiewicz was ever known or addressed as Constance Georgine, Countess Markiewicz. Certainly I have never seen it in the literature. Countess Markiewicz, yes, but not the whole thing. The article has been named according to the naming convention for UK countesses, but Markiewicz was married to a Polish count, and never lived in Poland, so the convention does not apply. Interestingly, the Polish Wikipedia article is titled "Constance Markiewicz", as are the German, Spanish, French and Norwegian articles (the Irish article is titled "Constance Gore-Booth Markiewicz"). Any objections if I move this to Constance Markiewicz? Scolaire (talk) 11:08, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Please move, makes sense. --mervyn (talk) 11:55, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
agree - ClemMcGann (talk) 12:00, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

I have been bold and moved it. I will revert if anybody objects later. Scolaire (talk) 12:42, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

[edit] Title

She was not a UK countess therefore was not known as or called Constance Georgine, Countess Markiewicz but Countess Markiewicz. Check the Polish wikipedia. It is very relevant. Snappy56 (talk) 16:33, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Proof? --Counter-revolutionary (talk) 17:01, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
Firstly, why are you attempted to impose one country (UK) title and styles on on another (Poland) ? The Polish wikipedia intro is as follows: Constance Georgine Markiewicz (Markievicz), zw. Countess Markiewicz (Markievicz), z domu Gore-Booth, irl. Chúntaois Constance Markievicz. You can read here too and here as well. In Dáil Éireann transcripts, she is referred to as COUNTESS MARKIEVICZ. Did you actually read the article? She was an ardent Irish republican who spent most of her life fighting for an Irish Republic, yet you want to impose UK titles and styles on her posthumously? Finally, I intend to visit her grave, photograph her headstone and upload it to wikimedia commons, as the title on one's headstone usually indicates how one was addressed and what one was known as in life. Snappy56 (talk) 17:18, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
I am more than aware of who she is and what she did. This has nothing to do with the posthumous imposition of a UK style (ignoring for the moment that the terminology of a UK title is irrelevant, especially given that it could equally involve imposition of the styles of the Peerage of Ireland - the country she loved so). Do as you wish. Counter-revolutionary (talk) 19:17, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
I don't like the current (Snappy's) intro and infobox because it implies that "Countess" was a nickname, and not a title. In moving the page I never intended for the full name to be expunged from the record. A compromise would be acceptable: I suggest "Constance Georgine, Countess Markiewicz" for the 'Name' in the infobox, "Constance Markiewicz" for the picture caption, and the intro per Snappy ("Constance Georgine Markiewicz, also known as Countess Markiewicz"). Scolaire (talk) 07:25, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
Nobody's expunging anything which is factual. Can you prove she was known as, styled as or addressed as Constance Georgine, Countess Markiewicz or Constance, Countess Markiewicz while alive? This is a UK title style, in fact there is not title of count in the UK, a countess being the wife of an Earl. Why do you want to impose the title style of the wife of a British Earl on an Irish woman who was married to a Polish Count? In the Dáil records, she is referred to as Constans de Markiewicz and Countess Markiewicz. Also her headstone simply says Countess Markiewicz + date of death. To compromise, I have re-worded the intro, removing the also known as since you feel this implies a nickname though I disagree; and add Countess Markiewicz to the photo caption in the infobox and retaining her full married name above the photo. Snappy56 (talk) 16:20, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
That's fine, Snappy. You didn't need to get snappy about it. Scolaire (talk) 23:18, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
Actually, Snappy, in the Dáil Members Database, she is referred to as Countess Constance Georgina de Markievicz, i.e., with a V not a W. Perhaps this (as mentioned previously) should be reflected in the title of the article? --The.Q(t)(c) 11:55, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
Yes, it appears she had many names and titles. There was a discussion on the V vs. W spelling before on this page but it was inconclusive. The Polish wikipedia spells her name with a W but has the V spelling in brackets afterwards. As far I can tell, the reason for the V spelling in English was to keep the same pronunciation, as W is pronounced V in Polish, though I may be wrong on that. Snappy56 (talk) 13:28, 6 June 2008 (UTC)